997.2? 991.1 More Likely...
07-10-2019, 10:38 AM
#16
Rennlist Member
I think 991.1 GTS 7MT is going to win the "most valuable NA Carrera" in the end.
991.1 is -
1. Faster
2. Lighter
3. Better looking
4. Nicer
IMO, the only reason people harp on the electric vs hydraulic steering is that is the only leg they have to stand on
991.1 is -
1. Faster
2. Lighter
3. Better looking
4. Nicer
IMO, the only reason people harp on the electric vs hydraulic steering is that is the only leg they have to stand on
07-10-2019, 11:37 AM
#17
Rennlist Member
that's an outlier, limited edition of 60 to celebrate the 50th anniversary of pca...from the pca article about the release:
Porsche will give one GTS Club Coupe away to a lucky PCA member (details will be made available soon), and the other 59 will be available for purchase for $136,060 (not including $995 destination fee) by PCA members through a lottery. Applicants must fill out and submit a registration form to participate in this offer, which will be made available on PCA.org on February 1. There is no charge for the opportunity to register, and there is no obligation to purchase the vehicle. Deliveries will start in June 2015.
Porsche will give one GTS Club Coupe away to a lucky PCA member (details will be made available soon), and the other 59 will be available for purchase for $136,060 (not including $995 destination fee) by PCA members through a lottery. Applicants must fill out and submit a registration form to participate in this offer, which will be made available on PCA.org on February 1. There is no charge for the opportunity to register, and there is no obligation to purchase the vehicle. Deliveries will start in June 2015.
Be interesting to see how this one goes.
07-10-2019, 01:03 PM
#18
While the debate between the 997.2 and 991.1 as potential future classics will likely continue on for years. I don't think there is anyone crazy enough to believe the non GT 992 will be a future classic unless they bring about some drastic changes to it...
While that GTS may be priced extremely high it's very important to realize this serves as just another 911R esque example of how terrible things are becoming in the industry / with Porsche.
Enthusiasts are becoming more enraged with each passing model and for the ones of us with the means to do so, they will express their frustrations by paying these astronomical prices.
While that GTS may be priced extremely high it's very important to realize this serves as just another 911R esque example of how terrible things are becoming in the industry / with Porsche.
Enthusiasts are becoming more enraged with each passing model and for the ones of us with the means to do so, they will express their frustrations by paying these astronomical prices.
Last edited by limegreen; 07-10-2019 at 02:50 PM.
07-10-2019, 10:13 PM
#19
Originally Posted by AdamSanta85
I think 991.1 GTS 7MT is going to win the "most valuable NA Carrera" in the end.
991.1 is -
1. Faster
2. Lighter
3. Better looking
4. Nicer
IMO, the only reason people harp on the electric vs hydraulic steering is that is the only leg they have to stand on
991.1 is -
1. Faster
2. Lighter
3. Better looking
4. Nicer
IMO, the only reason people harp on the electric vs hydraulic steering is that is the only leg they have to stand on
I DD a 9yr old BMW 328xi and its steering provides a lot more feedback than what I get in the 991.1GTS. The 2013 M3 I picked up last year blows it away.
If I could change one thing in the 991.1 it would be to revert it back to a hydraulic steering rack.
This was a huge step back, IMHO.
07-10-2019, 10:30 PM
#20
It's not a leg, it's real.
I DD a 9yr old BMW 328xi and its steering provides a lot more feedback than what I get in the 991.1GTS. The 2013 M3 I picked up last year blows it away.
If I could change one thing in the 991.1 it would be to revert it back to a hydraulic steering rack.
This was a huge step back, IMHO.
I DD a 9yr old BMW 328xi and its steering provides a lot more feedback than what I get in the 991.1GTS. The 2013 M3 I picked up last year blows it away.
If I could change one thing in the 991.1 it would be to revert it back to a hydraulic steering rack.
This was a huge step back, IMHO.
Now when the 991.1 is compared to older Porsches I can see the argument form to a limited extent but other than when forced to think about it, the steering feel in my 991.1 is the last thing on my mind when driving it.
In my opinion it does not deserve to be bashed seeing that it represents for me the some of the best steering in any modern car on the market, electric or not.
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07-11-2019, 10:40 PM
#21
Originally Posted by limegreen
Steering feel must be a highly subjective thing because I have never driven a single BMW produced in the last 2 decades that had steering as good as my 991.1 including your e9x M3 that was the absolute end of hydraulic steering before it all went to hell with BMW’s dreadful electric steering.
Now when the 991.1 is compared to older Porsches I can see the argument form to a limited extent but other than when forced to think about it, the steering feel in my 991.1 is the last thing on my mind when driving it.
In my opinion it does not deserve to be bashed seeing that it represents for me the some of the best steering in any modern car on the market, electric or not.
Now when the 991.1 is compared to older Porsches I can see the argument form to a limited extent but other than when forced to think about it, the steering feel in my 991.1 is the last thing on my mind when driving it.
In my opinion it does not deserve to be bashed seeing that it represents for me the some of the best steering in any modern car on the market, electric or not.
07-12-2019, 08:55 PM
#22
Racer
Thread Starter
Honestly, I think the 991.1 was a huge leap forward in almost every measure except for steering. I believe the steering is noteworthy only because every other development high lit its lack of dramatic improvement...
07-16-2019, 08:30 AM
#23
Instructor
If the direction was so bad, explain to me how the 911 Carrera S 991 would close the NordSchleife as quickly as the 911 GT3 997 generation, but with 35 fewer horses. Very efficient this new chassis!
I think people talk without knowing how to fly;-), or just to make sure they have a 997
All testers and testers achieve much higher speeds and trajectory controls, but despite everything some still say, that less well.
I think it's human nature, we're afraid of change, or we prefer the old version, to reassure ourselves, but without any real logic
I think people talk without knowing how to fly;-), or just to make sure they have a 997
All testers and testers achieve much higher speeds and trajectory controls, but despite everything some still say, that less well.
I think it's human nature, we're afraid of change, or we prefer the old version, to reassure ourselves, but without any real logic