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Old 07-10-2019, 10:38 AM
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I think 991.1 GTS 7MT is going to win the "most valuable NA Carrera" in the end.

991.1 is -
1. Faster
2. Lighter
3. Better looking
4. Nicer

IMO, the only reason people harp on the electric vs hydraulic steering is that is the only leg they have to stand on
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Old 07-10-2019, 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by s4vant View Post
that's an outlier, limited edition of 60 to celebrate the 50th anniversary of pca...from the pca article about the release:

Porsche will give one GTS Club Coupe away to a lucky PCA member (details will be made available soon), and the other 59 will be available for purchase for $136,060 (not including $995 destination fee) by PCA members through a lottery. Applicants must fill out and submit a registration form to participate in this offer, which will be made available on PCA.org on February 1. There is no charge for the opportunity to register, and there is no obligation to purchase the vehicle. Deliveries will start in June 2015.
^Would not agree that justifies a >50K over MSRP. IMO this example sees -15K to -5K off MSRP at an auction on a good day.

Be interesting to see how this one goes.
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Old 07-10-2019, 01:03 PM
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While the debate between the 997.2 and 991.1 as potential future classics will likely continue on for years. I don't think there is anyone crazy enough to believe the non GT 992 will be a future classic unless they bring about some drastic changes to it...

While that GTS may be priced extremely high it's very important to realize this serves as just another 911R esque example of how terrible things are becoming in the industry / with Porsche.

Enthusiasts are becoming more enraged with each passing model and for the ones of us with the means to do so, they will express their frustrations by paying these astronomical prices.

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Old 07-10-2019, 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by AdamSanta85
I think 991.1 GTS 7MT is going to win the "most valuable NA Carrera" in the end.

991.1 is -
1. Faster
2. Lighter
3. Better looking
4. Nicer

IMO, the only reason people harp on the electric vs hydraulic steering is that is the only leg they have to stand on
It's not a leg, it's real.
I DD a 9yr old BMW 328xi and its steering provides a lot more feedback than what I get in the 991.1GTS. The 2013 M3 I picked up last year blows it away.
If I could change one thing in the 991.1 it would be to revert it back to a hydraulic steering rack.
This was a huge step back, IMHO.
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Old 07-10-2019, 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Bemo View Post
It's not a leg, it's real.
I DD a 9yr old BMW 328xi and its steering provides a lot more feedback than what I get in the 991.1GTS. The 2013 M3 I picked up last year blows it away.
If I could change one thing in the 991.1 it would be to revert it back to a hydraulic steering rack.
This was a huge step back, IMHO.
Steering feel must be a highly subjective thing because I have never driven a single BMW produced in the last 2 decades that had steering as good as my 991.1 including your e9x M3 that was the absolute end of hydraulic steering before it all went to hell with BMWĺs dreadful electric steering.

Now when the 991.1 is compared to older Porsches I can see the argument form to a limited extent but other than when forced to think about it, the steering feel in my 991.1 is the last thing on my mind when driving it.

In my opinion it does not deserve to be bashed seeing that it represents for me the some of the best steering in any modern car on the market, electric or not.
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Old 07-11-2019, 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by limegreen
Steering feel must be a highly subjective thing because I have never driven a single BMW produced in the last 2 decades that had steering as good as my 991.1 including your e9x M3 that was the absolute end of hydraulic steering before it all went to hell with BMWĺs dreadful electric steering.

Now when the 991.1 is compared to older Porsches I can see the argument form to a limited extent but other than when forced to think about it, the steering feel in my 991.1 is the last thing on my mind when driving it.

In my opinion it does not deserve to be bashed seeing that it represents for me the some of the best steering in any modern car on the market, electric or not.
Quite possible, I've driven them back to back many times and the feedback in the M is far superior. The 911 is obviously the better handling car, the chassis and suspension are incredibly well sorted out but the steering, however precise, does not provide feedback whatsoever.
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Old 07-12-2019, 08:55 PM
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Honestly, I think the 991.1 was a huge leap forward in almost every measure except for steering. I believe the steering is noteworthy only because every other development high lit its lack of dramatic improvement...
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Old 07-16-2019, 08:30 AM
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If the direction was so bad, explain to me how the 911 Carrera S 991 would close the NordSchleife as quickly as the 911 GT3 997 generation, but with 35 fewer horses. Very efficient this new chassis!

I think people talk without knowing how to fly;-), or just to make sure they have a 997

All testers and testers achieve much higher speeds and trajectory controls, but despite everything some still say, that less well.

I think it's human nature, we're afraid of change, or we prefer the old version, to reassure ourselves, but without any real logic



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