991.2 PowerKit - are the gains noticeable?
#16
Rennlist Member
I ordered a new 991.2 C4S with "sport package with 3.0 S power kit" build code P3Q. It was delivered without the power kit and just the sport package. I have been waiting a couple days for a call back from the sales manager. I heard from a guy at a tune shop I called that he can not order the power kit for the 991.2s anymore. I am a pretty upset, might have gone with a GTS...or skipped sport chrono since it is a manual etc. I think an undisclosed change like this is pretty outrageous considering how carefully we all think about our build specs. Anyone know what the deal is? If the GTS can run at 450HP why would there be a technical issue on the C4S? I was never informed of the deletion on my build and it took me a while to figure it out. The cost of the car was about 7000 less but that got buried with the sales tax and all the other costly dealer add ons. Any feedback would be appreciated. Not sure what I can do at this point. I would be willing to buy the kit and have it installed if I could source one for the 991.2 C4S.
#17
I got this information from Suncoast parts today. I am more hopeful now. I already took delivery, never told about the deletion.
"Jeffrey,
Porsche decided to stop sale on the X51 power kit. As far as we know they will be available next year but for now that's all the information we have on the item.
Thank you and please let me know if you've any other questions."
"Jeffrey,
Porsche decided to stop sale on the X51 power kit. As far as we know they will be available next year but for now that's all the information we have on the item.
Thank you and please let me know if you've any other questions."
#18
I ordered a new 991.2 C4S with "sport package with 3.0 S power kit" build code P3Q. It was delivered without the power kit and just the sport package. I have been waiting a couple days for a call back from the sales manager. I heard from a guy at a tune shop I called that he can not order the power kit for the 991.2s anymore. I am a pretty upset, might have gone with a GTS...or skipped sport chrono since it is a manual etc. I think an undisclosed change like this is pretty outrageous considering how carefully we all think about our build specs. Anyone know what the deal is? If the GTS can run at 450HP why would there be a technical issue on the C4S? I was never informed of the deletion on my build and it took me a while to figure it out. The cost of the car was about 7000 less but that got buried with the sales tax and all the other costly dealer add ons. Any feedback would be appreciated. Not sure what I can do at this point. I would be willing to buy the kit and have it installed if I could source one for the 991.2 C4S.
#19
Advanced
I ordered a new 991.2 C4S with "sport package with 3.0 S power kit" build code P3Q. It was delivered without the power kit and just the sport package. I have been waiting a couple days for a call back from the sales manager. I heard from a guy at a tune shop I called that he can not order the power kit for the 991.2s anymore. I am a pretty upset, might have gone with a GTS...or skipped sport chrono since it is a manual etc. I think an undisclosed change like this is pretty outrageous considering how carefully we all think about our build specs. Anyone know what the deal is? If the GTS can run at 450HP why would there be a technical issue on the C4S? I was never informed of the deletion on my build and it took me a while to figure it out. The cost of the car was about 7000 less but that got buried with the sales tax and all the other costly dealer add ons. Any feedback would be appreciated. Not sure what I can do at this point. I would be willing to buy the kit and have it installed if I could source one for the 991.2 C4S.
#21
I ordered a new 991.2 C4S with "sport package with 3.0 S power kit" build code P3Q. It was delivered without the power kit and just the sport package. I have been waiting a couple days for a call back from the sales manager. I heard from a guy at a tune shop I called that he can not order the power kit for the 991.2s anymore. I am a pretty upset, might have gone with a GTS...or skipped sport chrono since it is a manual etc. I think an undisclosed change like this is pretty outrageous considering how carefully we all think about our build specs. Anyone know what the deal is? If the GTS can run at 450HP why would there be a technical issue on the C4S? I was never informed of the deletion on my build and it took me a while to figure it out. The cost of the car was about 7000 less but that got buried with the sales tax and all the other costly dealer add ons. Any feedback would be appreciated. Not sure what I can do at this point. I would be willing to buy the kit and have it installed if I could source one for the 991.2 C4S.
Wow.. that is some lack of communication to say the least. If you didnt pop the hood, how would you know otherwise until you've already taken the car and if not days/weeks after.
Just to clarify, you specs the X51 kit, paid for it, got the car per your build less the X51 PK or did you get any of the parts like engine bay cover? Regardless if you took delivery, I would have the dealer get the power kit and install it all at no charge. Keep your old turbos too
#22
Three Wheelin'
Not sure if this helps. But I went from a 991.2 911 S to the 991.2 911 GTS and heres my scoop on the power.
I actually think my 911 S was funner to drive on the streets. I seem to think it was "snappier" from the hole shot and overall funner to drive than my 911 GTS.
Is the GTS faster? HELL YES. Do I notice it? YES I DO. Is it worth it? Depends on what you want.
The 911 S was snappy and fun from red light to red light. My GTS is fun too, but the power difference is really towards the upper RPMS. So for daily driving fun I found my 911 S to be much more fun to drive.
If I was driving highway speeds more, or tracking more, I would totally want the added power. But after owning an S and a GTS, I have no problem going back into an S. I live in socal, so I dont get long roads to stretch the GTS's legs. The S just seemed to fit my driving style better.
Maybe Im crazy. But I was happier with how the S performed FROM A DAILY driver in SOCAL standpoint. Maybe it was how the smaller turbos kick in, the tune, the lighter weight of the S. I dont know. Im just saying my 911 S was a hoot to drive to and from work. Where my GTS feels more like a mostly high speed sledge hammer.
So for me, I would not buy the kit myself. I like how the stock 911 S turbos spool.
I actually think my 911 S was funner to drive on the streets. I seem to think it was "snappier" from the hole shot and overall funner to drive than my 911 GTS.
Is the GTS faster? HELL YES. Do I notice it? YES I DO. Is it worth it? Depends on what you want.
The 911 S was snappy and fun from red light to red light. My GTS is fun too, but the power difference is really towards the upper RPMS. So for daily driving fun I found my 911 S to be much more fun to drive.
If I was driving highway speeds more, or tracking more, I would totally want the added power. But after owning an S and a GTS, I have no problem going back into an S. I live in socal, so I dont get long roads to stretch the GTS's legs. The S just seemed to fit my driving style better.
Maybe Im crazy. But I was happier with how the S performed FROM A DAILY driver in SOCAL standpoint. Maybe it was how the smaller turbos kick in, the tune, the lighter weight of the S. I dont know. Im just saying my 911 S was a hoot to drive to and from work. Where my GTS feels more like a mostly high speed sledge hammer.
So for me, I would not buy the kit myself. I like how the stock 911 S turbos spool.
#23
Advanced
I was called the day car went to build, that was back in March , that no more PK’s. There is a thread on this elsewhere in the forum. It was well known to dealers. Why did it take so long to build your car given a January order?
When this happened to me they offered extended maintenance and obviously the price difference initially. Then worked it through PNA to get the GTS slot which at the time there weren’t any available.
When this happened to me they offered extended maintenance and obviously the price difference initially. Then worked it through PNA to get the GTS slot which at the time there weren’t any available.
#24
Not sure if this helps. But I went from a 991.2 911 S to the 991.2 911 GTS and heres my scoop on the power.
I actually think my 911 S was funner to drive on the streets. I seem to think it was "snappier" from the hole shot and overall funner to drive than my 911 GTS.
Is the GTS faster? HELL YES. Do I notice it? YES I DO. Is it worth it? Depends on what you want.
The 911 S was snappy and fun from red light to red light. My GTS is fun too, but the power difference is really towards the upper RPMS. So for daily driving fun I found my 911 S to be much more fun to drive.
If I was driving highway speeds more, or tracking more, I would totally want the added power. But after owning an S and a GTS, I have no problem going back into an S. I live in socal, so I dont get long roads to stretch the GTS's legs. The S just seemed to fit my driving style better.
Maybe Im crazy. But I was happier with how the S performed FROM A DAILY driver in SOCAL standpoint. Maybe it was how the smaller turbos kick in, the tune, the lighter weight of the S. I dont know. Im just saying my 911 S was a hoot to drive to and from work. Where my GTS feels more like a mostly high speed sledge hammer.
So for me, I would not buy the kit myself. I like how the stock 911 S turbos spool.
I actually think my 911 S was funner to drive on the streets. I seem to think it was "snappier" from the hole shot and overall funner to drive than my 911 GTS.
Is the GTS faster? HELL YES. Do I notice it? YES I DO. Is it worth it? Depends on what you want.
The 911 S was snappy and fun from red light to red light. My GTS is fun too, but the power difference is really towards the upper RPMS. So for daily driving fun I found my 911 S to be much more fun to drive.
If I was driving highway speeds more, or tracking more, I would totally want the added power. But after owning an S and a GTS, I have no problem going back into an S. I live in socal, so I dont get long roads to stretch the GTS's legs. The S just seemed to fit my driving style better.
Maybe Im crazy. But I was happier with how the S performed FROM A DAILY driver in SOCAL standpoint. Maybe it was how the smaller turbos kick in, the tune, the lighter weight of the S. I dont know. Im just saying my 911 S was a hoot to drive to and from work. Where my GTS feels more like a mostly high speed sledge hammer.
So for me, I would not buy the kit myself. I like how the stock 911 S turbos spool.
#25
Rennlist Member
I think a tune on smaller turbo cars is a better answer on the street for fast spool up. My concern is whether the tunes out there are truly solid at this point.
#26
Not sure if this helps. But I went from a 991.2 911 S to the 991.2 911 GTS and heres my scoop on the power.
I actually think my 911 S was funner to drive on the streets. I seem to think it was "snappier" from the hole shot and overall funner to drive than my 911 GTS.
Is the GTS faster? HELL YES. Do I notice it? YES I DO. Is it worth it? Depends on what you want.
The 911 S was snappy and fun from red light to red light. My GTS is fun too, but the power difference is really towards the upper RPMS. So for daily driving fun I found my 911 S to be much more fun to drive.
If I was driving highway speeds more, or tracking more, I would totally want the added power. But after owning an S and a GTS, I have no problem going back into an S. I live in socal, so I dont get long roads to stretch the GTS's legs. The S just seemed to fit my driving style better.
Maybe Im crazy. But I was happier with how the S performed FROM A DAILY driver in SOCAL standpoint. Maybe it was how the smaller turbos kick in, the tune, the lighter weight of the S. I dont know. Im just saying my 911 S was a hoot to drive to and from work. Where my GTS feels more like a mostly high speed sledge hammer.
So for me, I would not buy the kit myself. I like how the stock 911 S turbos spool.
I actually think my 911 S was funner to drive on the streets. I seem to think it was "snappier" from the hole shot and overall funner to drive than my 911 GTS.
Is the GTS faster? HELL YES. Do I notice it? YES I DO. Is it worth it? Depends on what you want.
The 911 S was snappy and fun from red light to red light. My GTS is fun too, but the power difference is really towards the upper RPMS. So for daily driving fun I found my 911 S to be much more fun to drive.
If I was driving highway speeds more, or tracking more, I would totally want the added power. But after owning an S and a GTS, I have no problem going back into an S. I live in socal, so I dont get long roads to stretch the GTS's legs. The S just seemed to fit my driving style better.
Maybe Im crazy. But I was happier with how the S performed FROM A DAILY driver in SOCAL standpoint. Maybe it was how the smaller turbos kick in, the tune, the lighter weight of the S. I dont know. Im just saying my 911 S was a hoot to drive to and from work. Where my GTS feels more like a mostly high speed sledge hammer.
So for me, I would not buy the kit myself. I like how the stock 911 S turbos spool.
#27
Rennlist Member
Not sure if this helps. But I went from a 991.2 911 S to the 991.2 911 GTS and heres my scoop on the power.
I actually think my 911 S was funner to drive on the streets. I seem to think it was "snappier" from the hole shot and overall funner to drive than my 911 GTS.
Is the GTS faster? HELL YES. Do I notice it? YES I DO. Is it worth it? Depends on what you want.
The 911 S was snappy and fun from red light to red light. My GTS is fun too, but the power difference is really towards the upper RPMS. So for daily driving fun I found my 911 S to be much more fun to drive.
If I was driving highway speeds more, or tracking more, I would totally want the added power. But after owning an S and a GTS, I have no problem going back into an S. I live in socal, so I dont get long roads to stretch the GTS's legs. The S just seemed to fit my driving style better.
Maybe Im crazy. But I was happier with how the S performed FROM A DAILY driver in SOCAL standpoint. Maybe it was how the smaller turbos kick in, the tune, the lighter weight of the S. I dont know. Im just saying my 911 S was a hoot to drive to and from work. Where my GTS feels more like a mostly high speed sledge hammer.
So for me, I would not buy the kit myself. I like how the stock 911 S turbos spool.
I actually think my 911 S was funner to drive on the streets. I seem to think it was "snappier" from the hole shot and overall funner to drive than my 911 GTS.
Is the GTS faster? HELL YES. Do I notice it? YES I DO. Is it worth it? Depends on what you want.
The 911 S was snappy and fun from red light to red light. My GTS is fun too, but the power difference is really towards the upper RPMS. So for daily driving fun I found my 911 S to be much more fun to drive.
If I was driving highway speeds more, or tracking more, I would totally want the added power. But after owning an S and a GTS, I have no problem going back into an S. I live in socal, so I dont get long roads to stretch the GTS's legs. The S just seemed to fit my driving style better.
Maybe Im crazy. But I was happier with how the S performed FROM A DAILY driver in SOCAL standpoint. Maybe it was how the smaller turbos kick in, the tune, the lighter weight of the S. I dont know. Im just saying my 911 S was a hoot to drive to and from work. Where my GTS feels more like a mostly high speed sledge hammer.
So for me, I would not buy the kit myself. I like how the stock 911 S turbos spool.
#28
Burning Brakes
I test drove the S, T , and the TT before going with the GTS. No doubt, both the S and the T are fun to drive but “snappier” than the GTS....I don’t think so. JMHO. I have high flow cats and headers on mine, so that might be why. I’m probably biased but I’d go with the power kit if I went with the S.
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Just high flow cats alone will improve the GTS power delivery, which is what I did.
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#30
Three Wheelin'
I test drove the S, T , and the TT before going with the GTS. No doubt, both the S and the T are fun to drive but “snappier” than the GTS....I don’t think so. JMHO. I have high flow cats and headers on mine, so that might be why. I’m probably biased but I’d go with the power kit if I went with the S.
I have soul sport cats on my GTS to combat that too. And that did help A LOT. My 2017 911 S was a narrow body too. But I can clearly feel a drivers experience difference between to the two. The GTS is very fast. But the S power band was indeed snappier feeling red light to red light. In my 911 S I would hear my baby turbos spooling up so much sooner. And I just liked how it drove.
To me, the 911 S felt like it was setup like a 1/4th mile car.
And the 911 GTS felt like a 1/2 mile car.
They just drive differently to me.
Im not trying to hate on my GTS. Im not trying to say the GTS isnt worth it. But I personally like how the S power is delivered to the road on STREET use. Thats all guys. I find myself going too fast in the GTS and it all hits in the mid to top end where I dont get to be in much due to socal traffic.
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