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Old 10-10-2018 | 07:47 PM
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Default Porsche was leaving power on the table all along (991.2)(Headers)

Interesting tidbit from this Car and Driver article on the new 992 discussing engine/turbo changes and improvements.

To improve exhaust flow, the stamped-steel manifolds in the 991.2 have been replaced by cast-iron headers. These are said to weigh no more, but flow better, than their double-walled predecessors.
I'm very interested to see their design!

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The base Carrera will retain the same turbochargers as the 991.2, with a 49-millimeter compressor and a 45-mm turbine wheel. But the Carrera S will get the 55-/48-mm unit used today in the Carrera GTS. The 992 engines also get piezo fuel injectors, which are more expensive than the mechanical direct injectors but provide more precise control of the injection quantity.

These changes have allowed an increase in compression ratio from 10.0:1 to 10.5:1, which pays dividends in both power and efficiency. The 992 Carrera S output increases from 420 to 450 horsepower, without any change in today’s 16.0-psi boost pressure. (That's the same output that today's GTS produces with 18.1 psi.) Expect another 30 ponies or so in the new GTS. The base Carrera, however, gets a smaller bump, from 370 to 385 horsepower, with unspecified reduction in boost pressure from 13.1 psi in the 991.
Link to article: https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...11-992-preview
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Tweaked Turbo Engines

Although all-new turbocharged engines were introduced on the 991.2 models only three years ago, Porsche engineers found several areas to improve for the 992. First, the 992 gets a bigger central intercooler at the rear, replacing the pair located in the rear fenders of the 991.2. This 12-percent-larger intercooler gets direct airflow from the base of the wing, has improved internal airflow, and achieves a greater reduction in intake-air temperature. The intercooler air still exhausts in the lower rear fenders, now in nicely split vents.
Those dang sons o' bitches. 991.2 guys stuck with inferior parts.
Old 10-10-2018 | 08:19 PM
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Everything can and will be improved upon over time - the 991.2 GTS is a great car and I am glad I ordered one in the Targa variant with a manual. I would have waited a long time for that in the 992! And I do not like the exhaust in the bumper and squared off hood edges, nor what I envision the dash/console to be.

By the way, there is a 992 Forum, where this would be more appropriate although 991.2 is in the title line so it was a sneaky way to get away with it. I hope the 991 and 992 threads don't start merging though as other 992 threads are starting to pop up here as well - is there a Moderator in the house?
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so 992 s and gts will likely have same turbos with gts having more boost from the factory?
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I'm not sure if you've been paying attention but there's been heavy debate and others going back and forth about the 991.2 stock and aftermarket header design. This is why it was posted here. This has nothing to do with the 992's squared design and what not. This topic is about 9A2 engine used in the 991.2 and 992. There's no need to call the hall monitors.

I am 991.2 GTS owner whose into aftermarket parts and tuning. There's lots to be learned. Knowledge is power.
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Good stuff. I could do without the compression ration increase, but it's an expected trend we'll learn to live with.
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Originally Posted by Psorcery
I'm not sure if you've been paying attention but there's been heavy debate and others going back and forth about the 991.2 stock and aftermarket header design. This is why it was posted here. This has nothing to do with the 992's squared design and what not. This topic is about 9A2 engine used in the 991.2 and 992. There's no need to call the hall monitors.

I am 991.2 GTS owner whose into aftermarket parts and tuning. There's lots to be learned. Knowledge is power.
I saw those...you could have posted it there but I see your point. For others though in the future others will look in the forums for what they own and if it is here it may not make it there. If I want to learn something about my 991.2 I do not go to the 997 forum.
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Originally Posted by Bob Z.
I saw those...you could have posted it there but I see your point. For others though in the future others will look in the forums for what they own and if it is here it may not make it there. If I want to learn something about my 991.2 I do not go to the 997 forum.
The 997.2 and the 991.1 have engine similarities where either or can be discussed in each of it's respected forum.

If one wants to do a search on a topic they should do a forum wide search instead of a single section like say: 991.

There's been many times I wanted to search a topic but it was never found in the 991 section but it was found in the 991 Turbo section or 991 GT3 section. If I ran a forum wide search for my 991 topic it would cover all three 991 sections instead of one. This forum has it's flaws.

If someone makes a thread topic that says "Will 992 headers fit on my 991.2"? in the 991 section. Are you gonna be upset?

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I wonder if the form factor is the same.
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Originally Posted by ClassJ
I wonder if the form factor is the same.
Probably, same engine as 991.2, and same headers fit the 991.2 base, S, & GTS.

So you could get up in the middle of the night and steal headers off of a 992 to put on your 991.2
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Originally Posted by arter
Probably, same engine as 991.2, and same headers fit the 991.2 base, S, & GTS.

So you could get up in the middle of the night and steal headers off of a 992 to put on your 991.2
The fact that they raised the compression, changed the headers, and lowered the boost on the base engine and still gained power speaks volumes.

I am sure there still will be aftermarket options for the 992. Take off headers may be available.
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Wow intercoolers and headers... so basically a modded 991.2 lol
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Originally Posted by Psorcery
I'm very interested to see their design!
My guess is not to dissimilar to the 997 generation:

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The changes for the base model have me very intrigued. Love the idea of increasing compression and decreasing boost.
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Originally Posted by basic666
Wow intercoolers and headers... so basically a modded 991.2 lol
Yep, I have already upgraded to AMS Intercoolers and Vektor headers on the way. No need for a Butt Ugly upgrade. LOL. But I will be tempted if the 992 GT3 gets Boost.


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