Mirror stopped dipping in reverse, dealer says $15K
#61
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_BK, thanks for the update. At this point, work with your service advisor, and see if he can present to PCNA to "good-will" the repair or share in the costs. Might need to call PCNA yourself, too. Are you the first owner. Have you ever owned Porsches before? These answers matter. There's no right or wrong answer. Depends how you frame them to PCNA. Be reasonable, articulate, persistant, and negotiate. Good luck.
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_BK, thanks for the update. At this point, work with your service advisor, and see if he can present to PCNA to "good-will" the repair or share in the costs. Might need to call PCNA yourself, too. Are you the first owner. Have you ever owned Porsches before? These answers matter. There's no right or wrong answer. Depends how you frame them to PCNA. Be reasonable, articulate, persistant, and negotiate. Good luck.
#64
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A soul-crushing update. The honest guys from ASG looked at it and they are as perplexed as I am. They agreed with the dealer (ugh) that it is not the reverse light switch, which seems to be working. Rather, something seems not to be pushing against the plunger-type reverse switch. ASG could not see anything inside the transmission, like if a pin or something “broke off,” but admittedly it is very hard to see inside even with the tiny camera they have to check cylinders and such. It does not seem that anything broke inside there, though. Nothing feels or sounds wrong or different about the transmission from back when the switch worked. Note that even the dealer said the transmission appeared undamaged, it just seemed to be “missing something” that should be pushing the reverse switch. Put the car in reverse and nothing pushes the switch.
Yet neither ASG nor the dealer knows what it is. ASG said Porsche provides no breakdown schematics of the transmission and does not offer parts for it, only the whole unit. This is presumably what led to the dealer saying the only solution is an entirely new transmission.
So now I am at a loss. The car is relatively recently out of new car warranty, so I would have to foot the bill myself. It drives the same as ever, I just do not have a functioning reverse light switch, so I’m tempted to ignore it... but I really can’t. I could live without the mirror tilting, but I need reverse lights. I will get this fixed, but swapping transmissions seems like massive overkill, using a sledgehammer to kill a fly.
I went ahead and did the Porsche customer satisfaction survey, giving the dealer middling marks. The dealer (yes, it was Porsche Tysons) was adequate, but I feel like they kind of blew this off. An issue like this is objectively stupid, and it deserved more consideration and thoughtfulness than they gave it. Essentially, they just mentioned it to me when my oil change was done and had me decline the repair, as I’m sure they expected. Why not pull in a regional service rep, or a Porsche NA person when they come across something so outrageous? Why not do more to find the part to fix it, rather than tell me “the solution is to replace the entire transmission”? Why not see if this is an issue that has been addressed somewhere else?
On the customer satisfaction survey, I gave the brand itself very low marks, with an explanation that it makes no sense that a presumably tiny part should fail, and that when it does, the fix is completely out of proportion to the problem. I asked for someone from Porsche NA to contact me to figure out a more reasonable solution to fix it. Hopefully I will hear something. In the meantime, the guys at ASG are going to reach out to their transmission guys to see if they’ve ever heard of anything like this.
This is not the happy update I wanted, but I had to pass it along. The good news is that the car remains amazing to drive. I am super bummed about no reverse lights, so I will get it fixed, one way or another, and will update once I do.
TL, DR: Dealer was right, my problem is weird, I'm sad but will get it fixed regardless.
Yet neither ASG nor the dealer knows what it is. ASG said Porsche provides no breakdown schematics of the transmission and does not offer parts for it, only the whole unit. This is presumably what led to the dealer saying the only solution is an entirely new transmission.
So now I am at a loss. The car is relatively recently out of new car warranty, so I would have to foot the bill myself. It drives the same as ever, I just do not have a functioning reverse light switch, so I’m tempted to ignore it... but I really can’t. I could live without the mirror tilting, but I need reverse lights. I will get this fixed, but swapping transmissions seems like massive overkill, using a sledgehammer to kill a fly.
I went ahead and did the Porsche customer satisfaction survey, giving the dealer middling marks. The dealer (yes, it was Porsche Tysons) was adequate, but I feel like they kind of blew this off. An issue like this is objectively stupid, and it deserved more consideration and thoughtfulness than they gave it. Essentially, they just mentioned it to me when my oil change was done and had me decline the repair, as I’m sure they expected. Why not pull in a regional service rep, or a Porsche NA person when they come across something so outrageous? Why not do more to find the part to fix it, rather than tell me “the solution is to replace the entire transmission”? Why not see if this is an issue that has been addressed somewhere else?
On the customer satisfaction survey, I gave the brand itself very low marks, with an explanation that it makes no sense that a presumably tiny part should fail, and that when it does, the fix is completely out of proportion to the problem. I asked for someone from Porsche NA to contact me to figure out a more reasonable solution to fix it. Hopefully I will hear something. In the meantime, the guys at ASG are going to reach out to their transmission guys to see if they’ve ever heard of anything like this.
This is not the happy update I wanted, but I had to pass it along. The good news is that the car remains amazing to drive. I am super bummed about no reverse lights, so I will get it fixed, one way or another, and will update once I do.
TL, DR: Dealer was right, my problem is weird, I'm sad but will get it fixed regardless.
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_BK, thanks for the update. At this point, work with your service advisor, and see if he can present to PCNA to "good-will" the repair or share in the costs. Might need to call PCNA yourself, too. Are you the first owner. Have you ever owned Porsches before? These answers matter. There's no right or wrong answer. Depends how you frame them to PCNA. Be reasonable, articulate, persistant, and negotiate. Good luck.
Just add to Lex’s sound advice - Pehaps reach out to the GT3 gentlemen here on Rennlist who negotiated successfuly with Porsche regarding the blown engine issue ? They may be able to give you some guidance as to who, and how to reach someone at PCNA that is at least not the bottom of the foodchain. If it’s a dumb idea, I’m sure someone will tell me Link to thread below.
https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-...ouncement.html
Good luck
#66
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BK, agree the dealer could have handled it a lot better and not take the easy way out. By the way, here's a $15K solution. I'm sure this isn't the first time this has happened. Need to talk to the right people. They should be your advocate and get on the phone phone with tech support at PCNA. Call PCNA, or when you get a call from them get a case number opened and just take the advice noted in the previous posts. Thanks for update and please keep us in the loop.
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I guess after all other avenues have been explored, tell PCNA your planning on filling a grievance with the NHTSA.
#69
Race Director
I still think the mirrors and lights may be two issues?
Did you check the setting for the mirrors?
Maybe this Indy doesn't have all the Porsche dealer software?
I would also go to another local Porsche dealer. Not sure I'd want to deal with Tyson's anymore.
Did you check the setting for the mirrors?
Maybe this Indy doesn't have all the Porsche dealer software?
I would also go to another local Porsche dealer. Not sure I'd want to deal with Tyson's anymore.
#71
Burning Brakes
Have you reached out to a Porsche specialist?
For instance, there’s this gentleman here in Canada.
http://www.trusttransmission.ca/home.html
For instance, there’s this gentleman here in Canada.
http://www.trusttransmission.ca/home.html
Last edited by OliverK68; 07-07-2018 at 07:55 PM.
#72
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I really feel your pain and can relate being I just went through what could have been a VERY expensive repair on one of my other cars and was looking at a $10k bill for something that should not need replacing for a car with 16k miles and should not cost so much to repair (the shocks were leaking). I got lucky and the fidelity warranty covered my issue which was a hit or miss thing so believe me I know about sweating these things out. I would think Porsche would come through on this being it just doesn’t make sense it can’t be fixed for a reasonable price and the fact it is a HUGE safety issue,
Btw this thread made me check my car for the mirror dip and reverse lights like I am sure many others checked too ... who would ever think you need to worry about your reverse lights not working on a modern car !?!?
Btw this thread made me check my car for the mirror dip and reverse lights like I am sure many others checked too ... who would ever think you need to worry about your reverse lights not working on a modern car !?!?
#73
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If good will fails I would call someone that works on these transmissions. Anything can be torn down and repaired.
If this broke after the clutch repair I would be pushing that something happened during that repair.
If this broke after the clutch repair I would be pushing that something happened during that repair.
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OP: There are a lot of Porsche Dealerships in your area. Do you lose anything by taking it to another dealer for a diagnosis? (without preconditioning them on what your other dealer said)
#75
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Transmission replacement for back up lights that don't go on -- definition of Insanity. German engineering at its best??