Why so few sport chronos in manual trans cars?
05-31-2018, 08:24 AM
#16
Burning Brakes
More aggressive throttle mapping is not necessarily better. It makes it harder to delicately adjust the throttle during limit handling. On a Corvette, for example, throttle mapping is more aggressive in SPORT mode than in NORMAL mode. However, in TRACK mode, it's less aggressive than in NORMAL mode.
05-31-2018, 08:55 AM
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Lots of good information, but definitely no consensus! On the whole, I think it would be neat to have, but I don't think I should automatically pass on a great car that doesn't have it.
05-31-2018, 09:27 AM
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More aggressive throttle mapping is not necessarily better. It makes it harder to delicately adjust the throttle during limit handling. On a Corvette, for example, throttle mapping is more aggressive in SPORT mode than in NORMAL mode. However, in TRACK mode, it's less aggressive than in NORMAL mode.
plus rev matching only engages in sport plus. Personally I almost never use it but I guess it’s neat to have. In my old e92 m3 the sport plus throttle was awful, so it does depend on the car.
i think the dynamic engine mounts are a good feature and I guess it’s a future repair cost but that seems far in the future if at all. Not worried about that. If I was worried about maintenance costs I wouldn’t buy a 911.
05-31-2018, 09:36 AM
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One of my Dynamic Engine Mounts failed at 15K miles. $ 1,600 to replace outside of warranty. I have Sport Chrono on my MT 2014 only because it was a dealer spec car. I don't need - or want - the rev matching, can't tell the difference on dynamic engine mounts one way or the other - and basically mine is a highly glorified clock that sits as a dash wart on the car.
TAKE ME TO CHURCH !
(I also intensely dislike the burbling Walter Mitty over-run popping Porsche programmed into the cars to make wannabe racers feel like Steve McQueen).
TAKE ME TO CHURCH !
(I also intensely dislike the burbling Walter Mitty over-run popping Porsche programmed into the cars to make wannabe racers feel like Steve McQueen).
05-31-2018, 10:10 AM
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One of my Dynamic Engine Mounts failed at 15K miles. $ 1,600 to replace outside of warranty. I have Sport Chrono on my MT 2014 only because it was a dealer spec car. I don't need - or want - the rev matching, can't tell the difference on dynamic engine mounts one way or the other - and basically mine is a highly glorified clock that sits as a dash wart on the car.
TAKE ME TO CHURCH !
(I also intensely dislike the burbling Walter Mitty over-run popping Porsche programmed into the cars to make wannabe racers feel like Steve McQueen).
TAKE ME TO CHURCH !
(I also intensely dislike the burbling Walter Mitty over-run popping Porsche programmed into the cars to make wannabe racers feel like Steve McQueen).
I do like the dynamic engine mounts, and wish they were available separately—as the car does end up handling and riding better. Porsche fought the handling vs. comfort battle with engine and subframe mounts for years, eventually using multi-durometer rubber mounts (stiff one direction, less stiff another) as a compromise. Dynamic mounts solve that issue, and I feel they are a significant upgrade for those who will really drive the car hard, as well as those who won't thanks to the added comfort. In a 7MT car, they're the only reason I'd get Sport Chrono.
But subshooter is right: There are a lot of things going on with Sport Chrono...
05-31-2018, 10:37 AM
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Three Wheelin'
05-31-2018, 10:46 AM
#23
sport or normal mode has no rev matching. I do 99.9% of my driving in sport with no rev matching and tc on.
05-31-2018, 10:57 AM
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Three Wheelin'
I thought SC would be of little/no use for me as I don't track my car. For some there is value obviously.
05-31-2018, 11:07 AM
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Wow. There is a lot more going on than just that. Let me count the ways and I am sure I am missing some.
1. Rev matching
2. Improved throttle mapping
3. Dynamic engine mounts
4. relaxes the point at which PSM engages
5. G-force meter
6. Clock
7. Laptime stopwatch
8. Sport screen on PCM with lap comparisons
9. ability to download car/engine data to excel for analysis or pairing with video
10. Upshift indicator
And probably about 10 others that I forgot about.
1. Rev matching
2. Improved throttle mapping
3. Dynamic engine mounts
4. relaxes the point at which PSM engages
5. G-force meter
6. Clock
7. Laptime stopwatch
8. Sport screen on PCM with lap comparisons
9. ability to download car/engine data to excel for analysis or pairing with video
10. Upshift indicator
And probably about 10 others that I forgot about.
Another very forgotten one is a "harder redline". Non SC cars pull power and engauge the rev-limiter prior to red-line.
I like my SC. Gives the car 3 different personalities; Clark Kent, Super Man, and some dude in between.
I've long professed, that SC is a very hard option to understand in the car buying/car buying/car building process.
Last edited by LexVan; 05-31-2018 at 11:31 AM.
05-31-2018, 11:22 AM
#26
I’m scanning the Porsche used car locator a few times a day looking for a 2013-2015 S with a 7 speed manual. I’m surprised at how few have the sport chrono option. From all the threads I’ve read on the topic, it’s worthwhile even with a manual trans. Why do so many original buyers pass it up?
05-31-2018, 11:22 AM
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Ditto. I've had quite a few MT's, and don't need to prove anything with my heel-toe capability. In fact, it always took extra finesse for my my size 13's on some of my Brit cars, especially my Spitfire 4. I really appreciate the rev matching, and with the active driveline mounts, it's really a good deal.
05-31-2018, 11:40 AM
#29
Three Wheelin'
Ditto. I've had quite a few MT's, and don't need to prove anything with my heel-toe capability. In fact, it always took extra finesse for my my size 13's on some of my Brit cars, especially my Spitfire 4. I really appreciate the rev matching, and with the active driveline mounts, it's really a good deal.