Goodbye 991.2 GTS (and mini review). But... staying in the family.
01-24-2018, 06:28 AM
#31
Drifting
I heard a lot of my own story in yours, Linustro. I ordered a 991.1 GTS in early 2015, my first 991, replacing a 997TT 6M. Like everyone who orders I weighed every single option, made no decisions based on financials -- only whether I thought I'd want it or not. Three 30-minute test drives in PDK cars (I thought I was going to order another Turbo) convinced me that I loved PDK in manual mode, and that I loved the NA 9A1 motor.
Unlike you I get to drive my cars a lot, pretty much as much as I want to. I was sure the GTS was a very long-term keeper for me. It was appropriately dignified (GT Silver) with enough flash inside (Garnet/black) to feel special.
I kept it 2 years and 2 months, and for the last year realized it lacked something special I wanted. I had cut my teeth on first generation Miatas, learned to race on them, hell, learned to drive in them. So my first Porsches were mid-engined roadsters, a natural progression from the Miata. But I'd been in the 911 fold for a while now and realized I wasn't keeping them very long.
Finally gave in and left the platform altogether; hell, I never even carried a briefcase in the backseat, much less a human. Got a GT4. Manual, of course. And Carmine Red this time. It was like coming home. Sure, I wish it at least had the 430hp GTS 3.8, if not the true GT motor. But I only wish that because the GT motor exists, not because when I'm driving the 385hp GT4 motor I'm feeling let down.
I looked seriously at going for a GT3 allocation rather than GT4 and that would have been a great direction too, I'm sure. I think I could have been very happy in a 3. But for whatever reason, the perceived smaller footprint and rear overhang of the 4 really work for me.
At any rate, I think the biggest realization is that, as brilliant as PDK is (and it is a revelation), it's not the one for a long-term romance for me.
Best of luck with your new GT3!
Unlike you I get to drive my cars a lot, pretty much as much as I want to. I was sure the GTS was a very long-term keeper for me. It was appropriately dignified (GT Silver) with enough flash inside (Garnet/black) to feel special.
I kept it 2 years and 2 months, and for the last year realized it lacked something special I wanted. I had cut my teeth on first generation Miatas, learned to race on them, hell, learned to drive in them. So my first Porsches were mid-engined roadsters, a natural progression from the Miata. But I'd been in the 911 fold for a while now and realized I wasn't keeping them very long.
Finally gave in and left the platform altogether; hell, I never even carried a briefcase in the backseat, much less a human. Got a GT4. Manual, of course. And Carmine Red this time. It was like coming home. Sure, I wish it at least had the 430hp GTS 3.8, if not the true GT motor. But I only wish that because the GT motor exists, not because when I'm driving the 385hp GT4 motor I'm feeling let down.
I looked seriously at going for a GT3 allocation rather than GT4 and that would have been a great direction too, I'm sure. I think I could have been very happy in a 3. But for whatever reason, the perceived smaller footprint and rear overhang of the 4 really work for me.
At any rate, I think the biggest realization is that, as brilliant as PDK is (and it is a revelation), it's not the one for a long-term romance for me.
Best of luck with your new GT3!
01-24-2018, 02:14 PM
#32
Instructor
For me the appeal of the Carrera product line is its versatility.
These cars can be driven daily, carry passengers and luggage, and taken to the track.
On the other hand, the GT product line are brilliant specialized track tools.
Both philosophies (versatility vs specialization) have their own appeals and merits.
One is not better than the other, it comes down to personal preferences.
These cars can be driven daily, carry passengers and luggage, and taken to the track.
On the other hand, the GT product line are brilliant specialized track tools.
Both philosophies (versatility vs specialization) have their own appeals and merits.
One is not better than the other, it comes down to personal preferences.
01-24-2018, 02:19 PM
#33
Rennlist Member
I will add that your story describes what drove my purchase of the 07 GT3 - still the most expensive car I've purchased!
Wide-eyed grins on weekend drives in the twisties and 3-5 track days per year. I hope you find this is the right tool for your needs - in my case the 997 version had too many trade offs to make it a very enjoyable street car, and while very capable on the track, it wasn't a dedicated track car either. I ended up with a sport-oriented C2S being the right compromise for me - but the manual transmission IS a must in any case!
Wide-eyed grins on weekend drives in the twisties and 3-5 track days per year. I hope you find this is the right tool for your needs - in my case the 997 version had too many trade offs to make it a very enjoyable street car, and while very capable on the track, it wasn't a dedicated track car either. I ended up with a sport-oriented C2S being the right compromise for me - but the manual transmission IS a must in any case!
01-24-2018, 11:28 PM
#34
Instructor
Thread Starter
Linusto -
I haven't seen you in awhile and read your post . I want to first wish you the best in whatever direction you choose . These cars are about enjoyment and if you feel a Gt3 will do ut for you then good luck . I was presented today with a similar proposition . As you know when we met in Florida I am close with the folks who have cared for my cars in the last 20 years . I inquired on saturday about a Gt3 and got an answer today . I have a slot if I want it but I must decide now . More on my decision at the end .
As you know I have a garage queen impractical car . I also have a GTS that I drive EVERYWHERE . It would go to the train station , the supermarket or anywhere else . It is a daily driver . When you bought your GTS I had thought you picked the AWD for snow as i have not seen snow since the early 90's . I felt you picked a practical car for Canada and it turned out not to be. I know that you mentioned PDK and I wish i could detail in a separate post how PDK evolved since 09 (I had an 09 car) and how "normal" mode and right foot modulation is one aspect of driving which is often overlooked . I am quite rare in that i love both manual and PDK equally .
So I looked at my impractical car and asked my wife . I pointed out that despite loving my car I rarely drive it. I asked her about your post . Her replay made sense . She told me that if you didnt buy the Gt3 you might regret having not done it . I asked her about my car and that I never drive it and she said "maybe everyone needs to go through this at least once" .
So back to my decision .. if i buy a Gt3 I would have to sell my modded Turbo . I would not sell my GTS . I love the car as a daily car . I just cant see it and espite always having wanted a Gt3 I feel it;s a car which either would become like an art piece , or belongs to an experienced driver who is ready to track it to the limits . If driven on the street at the high revs where the car really shines for prolonged time one risks losing his license and to simply sit in traffic revving an engine with an occasion sprint just cant be enough to sway me .. yet !! LOL .
I told then no and thanked them . So I read your post and will live vicariously with your Gt3 .
Congrats !!
I haven't seen you in awhile and read your post . I want to first wish you the best in whatever direction you choose . These cars are about enjoyment and if you feel a Gt3 will do ut for you then good luck . I was presented today with a similar proposition . As you know when we met in Florida I am close with the folks who have cared for my cars in the last 20 years . I inquired on saturday about a Gt3 and got an answer today . I have a slot if I want it but I must decide now . More on my decision at the end .
As you know I have a garage queen impractical car . I also have a GTS that I drive EVERYWHERE . It would go to the train station , the supermarket or anywhere else . It is a daily driver . When you bought your GTS I had thought you picked the AWD for snow as i have not seen snow since the early 90's . I felt you picked a practical car for Canada and it turned out not to be. I know that you mentioned PDK and I wish i could detail in a separate post how PDK evolved since 09 (I had an 09 car) and how "normal" mode and right foot modulation is one aspect of driving which is often overlooked . I am quite rare in that i love both manual and PDK equally .
So I looked at my impractical car and asked my wife . I pointed out that despite loving my car I rarely drive it. I asked her about your post . Her replay made sense . She told me that if you didnt buy the Gt3 you might regret having not done it . I asked her about my car and that I never drive it and she said "maybe everyone needs to go through this at least once" .
So back to my decision .. if i buy a Gt3 I would have to sell my modded Turbo . I would not sell my GTS . I love the car as a daily car . I just cant see it and espite always having wanted a Gt3 I feel it;s a car which either would become like an art piece , or belongs to an experienced driver who is ready to track it to the limits . If driven on the street at the high revs where the car really shines for prolonged time one risks losing his license and to simply sit in traffic revving an engine with an occasion sprint just cant be enough to sway me .. yet !! LOL .
I told then no and thanked them . So I read your post and will live vicariously with your Gt3 .
Congrats !!
Yrralis1, I'm not surprised that you didn't take the dealership up on the GT3. You've put a lot of effort into your modded Turbo and I could also see how much you love your GTS; and it is a fantastic car that you absolutely can drive everywhere. That's what I do with my '16 Miata - it's unassuming, top down in good weather, RWD, LSD, manual, and absolutely loves to be revved out to redline. Sure, it's got a little roll to it and a bit quirky, but it's an amazing value car for what you get. And I park it anywhere and everywhere without giving a second thought to it. And because I don't drive in traffic for the most part, manual fits perfectly. The GTS was never supposed to replace this car but rather be the weekend and evening driver. I rationalized the AWD because I wanted to drive it in inclement weather conditions and not store it away the way I do the Miata. But, in reality, Toronto streets are pretty bare and dry. It doesn't snow here that often and when it does, it's cleared off the streets within a day). I recognize that I really don't need AWD for the occasional spirited drive, especially with a proper set of sticky winter tires. Now, if I was to drive my 911 routinely like you do, then I would not have let go of my GTS. In that case, the AWD, PDK, improved civility over the GT3 all work together in the C2 or C4 models to provide an amazing balance between daily drivability and sportiness. Honestly, it was very difficult for me to agree to trade in my GTS. I know just how good it is!
Unlike some others, my desire to drive the GT3 has little to do with getting to 100km/h faster than the next car. It has zero to do with using it as a status symbol, which sadly some are looking for. And I'm very clear that I would probably not want to drive this daily to the grocery store or my parents' home. For me, it's getting on the backroads and enjoying the feel of a raucous, rambunctious, raw vehicle that will entertain in feel, sound and overall visceral pleasure. And if it ever becomes a garage queen, it will be sold. Point blank. I'd prefer the money back into my real investments. What's good about this purchase is that if I don't gel with it by the end of the summer, I would think that I'd be able to sell it for at least what I paid for it. I hope this doesn't happen. I see that some people actually DD their GT3s. Incidentally, this past summer, I was at a hospital near my home numerous times as my mom underwent quadruple heart bypass surgery. There was a surgeon who would park his 991.1 GT3 in his reserved parking spot daily. I don't know how he got his car up and down the ramps in the parking garage with ease. I was baffled seeing the GT3 there everyday but maybe he loved driving it that much?
In terms of PDK, I agree with you 100% that it's a fantastic transmission. I have that in my Macan GTS as well, although the PDK in the 911 feels sharper and more focused - hard to explain. Ever since I put my Miata away for the winter in November, I miss driving stick so much that my resolve on manual in the GT3 was even more pronounced. I love both transmissions just like you, but for me, they serve different purposes.
Thanks for the congrats and well wishes.
01-24-2018, 11:33 PM
#35
Instructor
Thread Starter
I think you over thought this. In reality it’s an obvious move in the right direction if you wanted a more involving experience. I had a 50th (GTS) and it’s a very good if not great car. But it’s made to do many things well in all situations and it does a great job, and yes it would be cool to keep both, but the GT3 is made to give you as much involvement as you can possibly get with out being in a cup car. It’s a little rough around the edges for going to your mother in laws house on Sunday afternoon but it can do it. But in the twisties or even better on the track it delivers more than other 911’s. I’ve read more than one GT2RS review where the writer stated he missed the involvement of the GT3 over the pure unadulterated power of the GT2RS, and that’s saying a lot. This is my 3rd GT3. I had a modded 996 GT3, sold that for a 997.1 GT3, then let that go when I sensed the credit crash in 08. Since then I have been missing that experience and chasing that experience ever since. I was going to buy a 991.1 GT3 when the stop driving order came out so I bought a 50 th instead and that was a great car but in the back of my mind the GT3 was calling the whole time. Then when the 4 L came out I pulled out all the stops to get this one.
From your long justification I’m guessing you’ll love every minute of this special car. I have no doubt. Congrats on your allocation! Sure one half year maybe a little quick but the chance to grab this GT3 may not come around again for awhile and you should take advantage of it if this is what you want to do. With rumors saying production will only last till December 2018 you should grab it. Who knows what the 992 GT3 will be?
From your long justification I’m guessing you’ll love every minute of this special car. I have no doubt. Congrats on your allocation! Sure one half year maybe a little quick but the chance to grab this GT3 may not come around again for awhile and you should take advantage of it if this is what you want to do. With rumors saying production will only last till December 2018 you should grab it. Who knows what the 992 GT3 will be?
01-24-2018, 11:34 PM
#36
Instructor
Thread Starter
01-24-2018, 11:38 PM
#37
Instructor
Thread Starter
Your decision makes perfect sense to me. The C4 GTS is a perfect do-everything, all-the-time car. But that's not what you're using it for. I myself have a boring hybrid for a DD. When I want to go have fun, I get into my modded S2000. It rides stiff, it has stiff engine mounts which make a lot of noise, and it's perfect for when I want to go wring out a car and have fun at track days or on twisty roads. It's pretty bad to commute in; I can't drink out of a bottle/cup while driving down the freeway if it's a bit bumpy (as all the freeways around Los Angeles are) because the suspension is so stiff, there's lots of noise with convertible top, etc. I did DD the S2000 for 3 years before I modded it too much towards the track side. Just a thought for your 3 minute commute drive, go buy a used Nissan leaf or Fiat 500e for dirt cheap. You could charge it using your 110V wall outlet for 30 min a day and it would be enough to cover your commute. Also don't have to feel bad about not getting an engine up to temp with such a short drive.
01-24-2018, 11:42 PM
#38
Instructor
Thread Starter
Pushing 50, Hell, I just turned 51, I went with Miami Blue, but Guards Red or Racing Yellow would have worked also if they had one in the USA with the equipment I wanted last August. Mid-life crisis, lol, I am sure many think that of me, I could care less I got this car and color for me and me only because I have been a Porsche nut since I was 8 years old and I like bold colors. Go with what you like, to Hell with what anybody else thinks.
Beside I had to go with Blue as my other P-car is Guards Red, well the DD Prius, lol! Also, I believe its called ultimate red! Nobody is accusing me of a mid life crisis in my bright red Prius ; )
Your Guards Red GT3 will be awesome, can’t wait to see it!
Specifically, titan7's quote 'Mid-life crisis, lol, I am sure many think that of me, I could care less I got this car and color for me and me only because I have been a Porsche nut since I was 8 years old and I like bold colors. Go with what you like, to Hell with what anybody else thinks.'Thank you titan7 for this perspective.
01-24-2018, 11:46 PM
#39
Instructor
Thread Starter
I heard a lot of my own story in yours, Linustro. I ordered a 991.1 GTS in early 2015, my first 991, replacing a 997TT 6M. Like everyone who orders I weighed every single option, made no decisions based on financials -- only whether I thought I'd want it or not. Three 30-minute test drives in PDK cars (I thought I was going to order another Turbo) convinced me that I loved PDK in manual mode, and that I loved the NA 9A1 motor.
Unlike you I get to drive my cars a lot, pretty much as much as I want to. I was sure the GTS was a very long-term keeper for me. It was appropriately dignified (GT Silver) with enough flash inside (Garnet/black) to feel special.
I kept it 2 years and 2 months, and for the last year realized it lacked something special I wanted. I had cut my teeth on first generation Miatas, learned to race on them, hell, learned to drive in them. So my first Porsches were mid-engined roadsters, a natural progression from the Miata. But I'd been in the 911 fold for a while now and realized I wasn't keeping them very long.
Finally gave in and left the platform altogether; hell, I never even carried a briefcase in the backseat, much less a human. Got a GT4. Manual, of course. And Carmine Red this time. It was like coming home. Sure, I wish it at least had the 430hp GTS 3.8, if not the true GT motor. But I only wish that because the GT motor exists, not because when I'm driving the 385hp GT4 motor I'm feeling let down.
I looked seriously at going for a GT3 allocation rather than GT4 and that would have been a great direction too, I'm sure. I think I could have been very happy in a 3. But for whatever reason, the perceived smaller footprint and rear overhang of the 4 really work for me.
At any rate, I think the biggest realization is that, as brilliant as PDK is (and it is a revelation), it's not the one for a long-term romance for me.
Best of luck with your new GT3!
Unlike you I get to drive my cars a lot, pretty much as much as I want to. I was sure the GTS was a very long-term keeper for me. It was appropriately dignified (GT Silver) with enough flash inside (Garnet/black) to feel special.
I kept it 2 years and 2 months, and for the last year realized it lacked something special I wanted. I had cut my teeth on first generation Miatas, learned to race on them, hell, learned to drive in them. So my first Porsches were mid-engined roadsters, a natural progression from the Miata. But I'd been in the 911 fold for a while now and realized I wasn't keeping them very long.
Finally gave in and left the platform altogether; hell, I never even carried a briefcase in the backseat, much less a human. Got a GT4. Manual, of course. And Carmine Red this time. It was like coming home. Sure, I wish it at least had the 430hp GTS 3.8, if not the true GT motor. But I only wish that because the GT motor exists, not because when I'm driving the 385hp GT4 motor I'm feeling let down.
I looked seriously at going for a GT3 allocation rather than GT4 and that would have been a great direction too, I'm sure. I think I could have been very happy in a 3. But for whatever reason, the perceived smaller footprint and rear overhang of the 4 really work for me.
At any rate, I think the biggest realization is that, as brilliant as PDK is (and it is a revelation), it's not the one for a long-term romance for me.
Best of luck with your new GT3!
01-24-2018, 11:47 PM
#40
Instructor
Thread Starter
For me the appeal of the Carrera product line is its versatility.
These cars can be driven daily, carry passengers and luggage, and taken to the track.
On the other hand, the GT product line are brilliant specialized track tools.
Both philosophies (versatility vs specialization) have their own appeals and merits.
One is not better than the other, it comes down to personal preferences.
These cars can be driven daily, carry passengers and luggage, and taken to the track.
On the other hand, the GT product line are brilliant specialized track tools.
Both philosophies (versatility vs specialization) have their own appeals and merits.
One is not better than the other, it comes down to personal preferences.
01-24-2018, 11:49 PM
#41
Instructor
Thread Starter
I will add that your story describes what drove my purchase of the 07 GT3 - still the most expensive car I've purchased!
Wide-eyed grins on weekend drives in the twisties and 3-5 track days per year. I hope you find this is the right tool for your needs - in my case the 997 version had too many trade offs to make it a very enjoyable street car, and while very capable on the track, it wasn't a dedicated track car either. I ended up with a sport-oriented C2S being the right compromise for me - but the manual transmission IS a must in any case!
Wide-eyed grins on weekend drives in the twisties and 3-5 track days per year. I hope you find this is the right tool for your needs - in my case the 997 version had too many trade offs to make it a very enjoyable street car, and while very capable on the track, it wasn't a dedicated track car either. I ended up with a sport-oriented C2S being the right compromise for me - but the manual transmission IS a must in any case!
01-25-2018, 12:32 AM
#42
Burning Brakes
Linusto -
I haven't seen you in awhile and read your post . I want to first wish you the best in whatever direction you choose . These cars are about enjoyment and if you feel a Gt3 will do ut for you then good luck . I was presented today with a similar proposition . As you know when we met in Florida I am close with the folks who have cared for my cars in the last 20 years . I inquired on saturday about a Gt3 and got an answer today . I have a slot if I want it but I must decide now . More on my decision at the end .
As you know I have a garage queen impractical car . I also have a GTS that I drive EVERYWHERE . It would go to the train station , the supermarket or anywhere else . It is a daily driver . When you bought your GTS I had thought you picked the AWD for snow as i have not seen snow since the early 90's . I felt you picked a practical car for Canada and it turned out not to be. I know that you mentioned PDK and I wish i could detail in a separate post how PDK evolved since 09 (I had an 09 car) and how "normal" mode and right foot modulation is one aspect of driving which is often overlooked . I am quite rare in that i love both manual and PDK equally .
So I looked at my impractical car and asked my wife . I pointed out that despite loving my car I rarely drive it. I asked her about your post . Her replay made sense . She told me that if you didnt buy the Gt3 you might regret having not done it . I asked her about my car and that I never drive it and she said "maybe everyone needs to go through this at least once" .
So back to my decision .. if i buy a Gt3 I would have to sell my modded Turbo . I would not sell my GTS . I love the car as a daily car . I just cant see it and espite always having wanted a Gt3 I feel it;s a car which either would become like an art piece , or belongs to an experienced driver who is ready to track it to the limits . If driven on the street at the high revs where the car really shines for prolonged time one risks losing his license and to simply sit in traffic revving an engine with an occasion sprint just cant be enough to sway me .. yet !! LOL .
I told then no and thanked them . So I read your post and will live vicariously with your Gt3 .
Congrats !!
I haven't seen you in awhile and read your post . I want to first wish you the best in whatever direction you choose . These cars are about enjoyment and if you feel a Gt3 will do ut for you then good luck . I was presented today with a similar proposition . As you know when we met in Florida I am close with the folks who have cared for my cars in the last 20 years . I inquired on saturday about a Gt3 and got an answer today . I have a slot if I want it but I must decide now . More on my decision at the end .
As you know I have a garage queen impractical car . I also have a GTS that I drive EVERYWHERE . It would go to the train station , the supermarket or anywhere else . It is a daily driver . When you bought your GTS I had thought you picked the AWD for snow as i have not seen snow since the early 90's . I felt you picked a practical car for Canada and it turned out not to be. I know that you mentioned PDK and I wish i could detail in a separate post how PDK evolved since 09 (I had an 09 car) and how "normal" mode and right foot modulation is one aspect of driving which is often overlooked . I am quite rare in that i love both manual and PDK equally .
So I looked at my impractical car and asked my wife . I pointed out that despite loving my car I rarely drive it. I asked her about your post . Her replay made sense . She told me that if you didnt buy the Gt3 you might regret having not done it . I asked her about my car and that I never drive it and she said "maybe everyone needs to go through this at least once" .
So back to my decision .. if i buy a Gt3 I would have to sell my modded Turbo . I would not sell my GTS . I love the car as a daily car . I just cant see it and espite always having wanted a Gt3 I feel it;s a car which either would become like an art piece , or belongs to an experienced driver who is ready to track it to the limits . If driven on the street at the high revs where the car really shines for prolonged time one risks losing his license and to simply sit in traffic revving an engine with an occasion sprint just cant be enough to sway me .. yet !! LOL .
I told then no and thanked them . So I read your post and will live vicariously with your Gt3 .
Congrats !!
I started fishing for GT3 before I bought my GTS and now I am not sure what choice I would've made given a call about GT3 allocation. I daily drive my 911s. I go everywhere and my mechanic is always smiling when he sees my yearly mileage of 10K-12K or more on my CSs when I come for a yearly oil change as opposed to many other clients of his driving much less. So GT3 would not probably make much sense to me now unless I keep my GTS as well. That would require very strong commitment from garage room (given other cars), practicality and money standpoints. So, I am not sure, but most likely I would've opted out of it now. We will see if I get a call
And last, bit not least, Kudos to your wife. She seems like a big help in your decision. I relate it to a discussion with my wife when I did my 991CS to my GTS upgrade, which cost me more than I thought was reasonable. She said something like "I do not completely understand it myself, but if you want this car as much as I see you do, go for it, otherwise you will regret you did not" That was really helpful. E
Enjoy your GTS and that very special Turbo and thanks for sharing the story.
01-25-2018, 07:07 AM
#44
Hello yrralis1, it's great to hear from you, my friend. For most of you who are unaware, this fine chap who I met through the Macan forum (where he is a bit of a legacy), was kind enough to meet up with me when I went to my place in South Beach last spring. I had just placed an order for my C4 GTS and he had just received his C2 GTS (maybe even one of the first ones in the US?). He was kind enough to take me for a drive and even kinder to offer me the keys. It takes a truly special person to be that generous. I also learned that he and his wife are really good people - they routlinely give back to the community and do selfless work.
Yrralis1, I'm not surprised that you didn't take the dealership up on the GT3. You've put a lot of effort into your modded Turbo and I could also see how much you love your GTS; and it is a fantastic car that you absolutely can drive everywhere. That's what I do with my '16 Miata - it's unassuming, top down in good weather, RWD, LSD, manual, and absolutely loves to be revved out to redline. Sure, it's got a little roll to it and a bit quirky, but it's an amazing value car for what you get. And I park it anywhere and everywhere without giving a second thought to it. And because I don't drive in traffic for the most part, manual fits perfectly. The GTS was never supposed to replace this car but rather be the weekend and evening driver. I rationalized the AWD because I wanted to drive it in inclement weather conditions and not store it away the way I do the Miata. But, in reality, Toronto streets are pretty bare and dry. It doesn't snow here that often and when it does, it's cleared off the streets within a day). I recognize that I really don't need AWD for the occasional spirited drive, especially with a proper set of sticky winter tires. Now, if I was to drive my 911 routinely like you do, then I would not have let go of my GTS. In that case, the AWD, PDK, improved civility over the GT3 all work together in the C2 or C4 models to provide an amazing balance between daily drivability and sportiness. Honestly, it was very difficult for me to agree to trade in my GTS. I know just how good it is!
Unlike some others, my desire to drive the GT3 has little to do with getting to 100km/h faster than the next car. It has zero to do with using it as a status symbol, which sadly some are looking for. And I'm very clear that I would probably not want to drive this daily to the grocery store or my parents' home. For me, it's getting on the backroads and enjoying the feel of a raucous, rambunctious, raw vehicle that will entertain in feel, sound and overall visceral pleasure. And if it ever becomes a garage queen, it will be sold. Point blank. I'd prefer the money back into my real investments. What's good about this purchase is that if I don't gel with it by the end of the summer, I would think that I'd be able to sell it for at least what I paid for it. I hope this doesn't happen. I see that some people actually DD their GT3s. Incidentally, this past summer, I was at a hospital near my home numerous times as my mom underwent quadruple heart bypass surgery. There was a surgeon who would park his 991.1 GT3 in his reserved parking spot daily. I don't know how he got his car up and down the ramps in the parking garage with ease. I was baffled seeing the GT3 there everyday but maybe he loved driving it that much?
In terms of PDK, I agree with you 100% that it's a fantastic transmission. I have that in my Macan GTS as well, although the PDK in the 911 feels sharper and more focused - hard to explain. Ever since I put my Miata away for the winter in November, I miss driving stick so much that my resolve on manual in the GT3 was even more pronounced. I love both transmissions just like you, but for me, they serve different purposes.
Thanks for the congrats and well wishes.
Yrralis1, I'm not surprised that you didn't take the dealership up on the GT3. You've put a lot of effort into your modded Turbo and I could also see how much you love your GTS; and it is a fantastic car that you absolutely can drive everywhere. That's what I do with my '16 Miata - it's unassuming, top down in good weather, RWD, LSD, manual, and absolutely loves to be revved out to redline. Sure, it's got a little roll to it and a bit quirky, but it's an amazing value car for what you get. And I park it anywhere and everywhere without giving a second thought to it. And because I don't drive in traffic for the most part, manual fits perfectly. The GTS was never supposed to replace this car but rather be the weekend and evening driver. I rationalized the AWD because I wanted to drive it in inclement weather conditions and not store it away the way I do the Miata. But, in reality, Toronto streets are pretty bare and dry. It doesn't snow here that often and when it does, it's cleared off the streets within a day). I recognize that I really don't need AWD for the occasional spirited drive, especially with a proper set of sticky winter tires. Now, if I was to drive my 911 routinely like you do, then I would not have let go of my GTS. In that case, the AWD, PDK, improved civility over the GT3 all work together in the C2 or C4 models to provide an amazing balance between daily drivability and sportiness. Honestly, it was very difficult for me to agree to trade in my GTS. I know just how good it is!
Unlike some others, my desire to drive the GT3 has little to do with getting to 100km/h faster than the next car. It has zero to do with using it as a status symbol, which sadly some are looking for. And I'm very clear that I would probably not want to drive this daily to the grocery store or my parents' home. For me, it's getting on the backroads and enjoying the feel of a raucous, rambunctious, raw vehicle that will entertain in feel, sound and overall visceral pleasure. And if it ever becomes a garage queen, it will be sold. Point blank. I'd prefer the money back into my real investments. What's good about this purchase is that if I don't gel with it by the end of the summer, I would think that I'd be able to sell it for at least what I paid for it. I hope this doesn't happen. I see that some people actually DD their GT3s. Incidentally, this past summer, I was at a hospital near my home numerous times as my mom underwent quadruple heart bypass surgery. There was a surgeon who would park his 991.1 GT3 in his reserved parking spot daily. I don't know how he got his car up and down the ramps in the parking garage with ease. I was baffled seeing the GT3 there everyday but maybe he loved driving it that much?
In terms of PDK, I agree with you 100% that it's a fantastic transmission. I have that in my Macan GTS as well, although the PDK in the 911 feels sharper and more focused - hard to explain. Ever since I put my Miata away for the winter in November, I miss driving stick so much that my resolve on manual in the GT3 was even more pronounced. I love both transmissions just like you, but for me, they serve different purposes.
Thanks for the congrats and well wishes.
When I had my Macan S, I wondered how a DCT could possibly shift quicker. My 911’s PDK is very noticeably sharper and faster. It’s like shifts don’t even happen as much as the car keeps moving while RPM’s in one instant frame drop down. The Macan’s PDK is technically an Audi DCT (not made by ZF), tuned by Porsche, while the 911 PDK is a real, ZF PDK. So makes sense.
01-25-2018, 09:20 AM
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Burning Brakes
I see that you are in deep with both feet anchored . I've been there . Your story is unique as you do take the train to work so driving becomes less of a task . The attention turn to joy. The snags I faced with the Gt3 are even visible on sight . The car comes with track tires which are street legal. It's Porsche't hint where the car is supposed to go . Yep guys drive them on the street . I've seen it . I've seen a few RS cars on the street too. You have live your dream .
Last night I told my wife that i felt guilt for calling my salesperson . I told her I felt like I cheated on my Turbo . Thankfully for me .. nothing happened .
So i looked at my Turbo and had this amusing internal thought -- It went like this ---
Dear Turbo .
For 10 years you have been my heart . Oh man 10 years ago you were red hot and even today you still have spice . Yet lately I haven't driven you much . You even approved of me having a GTS but you knew you were still number 1 because you got the garage . The GTS sits outside . But then this Gt3 looked at me . I saw how it shook its tail into corners . I had a moment . I called my sales guy and thought the Gt3 might be in my garage . It was just a moment . A glorious moment at first but then I realized it wasn't just a one time drive . It was a driving relationship . It was a 168K marriage so i thought about the commitment . Then that look reminded me of that front spoiler scraping , or driving over bumpy construction to get to the highway , or those tires in the rain on a dirty side street . Suddenly my Turbo you rang my bell one more time . I am telling you this and hope the next time i drive you that you dont wrap me around a pole because nothing happened . In fact the fleeting thought reminded me of what i have .
Yrralis1
Linusto -- I was met with silence !! Haha !!
In a day or two .. I think my Turbo will roar again ,
Last night I told my wife that i felt guilt for calling my salesperson . I told her I felt like I cheated on my Turbo . Thankfully for me .. nothing happened .
So i looked at my Turbo and had this amusing internal thought -- It went like this ---
Dear Turbo .
For 10 years you have been my heart . Oh man 10 years ago you were red hot and even today you still have spice . Yet lately I haven't driven you much . You even approved of me having a GTS but you knew you were still number 1 because you got the garage . The GTS sits outside . But then this Gt3 looked at me . I saw how it shook its tail into corners . I had a moment . I called my sales guy and thought the Gt3 might be in my garage . It was just a moment . A glorious moment at first but then I realized it wasn't just a one time drive . It was a driving relationship . It was a 168K marriage so i thought about the commitment . Then that look reminded me of that front spoiler scraping , or driving over bumpy construction to get to the highway , or those tires in the rain on a dirty side street . Suddenly my Turbo you rang my bell one more time . I am telling you this and hope the next time i drive you that you dont wrap me around a pole because nothing happened . In fact the fleeting thought reminded me of what i have .
Yrralis1
Linusto -- I was met with silence !! Haha !!
In a day or two .. I think my Turbo will roar again ,