PDCC and the Track
#16
Points for effort, Worf. No matter how many times or how clearly its stated a lot of people still think the button turns PDCC on and off.
It should be a fairly straightforward thing to understand. Especially compared to this: http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...pension-works/
It should be a fairly straightforward thing to understand. Especially compared to this: http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...pension-works/
I’m happy with RAS and PDCC. My 991 TTS feels more nimble than my 997 TT did. It also rides better and corners better.
#17
Especially compared to this: http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...pension-works/
#18
Is that suspension the coolest thing you ever saw, or what? First time I saw it, had to look and look and study the video and then DAMN! What a mind-blowing concept! Only thing, shoulda been Stuttgart. But, way to go, Mercedes!
#19
F1 cars have used that suspension architecture for decades. I always wondered how they had different springs for roll and squat (and WTF was a ‘heave spring’ anyway?) and how they could have any roll/squat/dive control with 2 tons of aero downforce at speed. Never saw an annotated close-up of all the bits with an explanation of what moved which way when until now.
#20
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not affiliated, just a happy customer -- but don't just take my word for it
https://rennlist.com/forums/997-foru...on-thread.html
#23
PDCC definitely tightens up the chassis of my Turbo S. I find that it significantly reduces body roll, gives me better feel in the steering and overall I use it at the track even on a relatively bumpy track. On the street it has limited application, it's a bit jarring on anything but smooth roads, and I think the suspension only gets loaded enough to give you the feel back if you are close the limits - which isn't so good for street use. I use it occassionally on street, if I know a particularly sweet corner or something, but it's always temporary.
#24
I found this explanation. Is this an accurate description?
When the PDCC console button is deactivated (light is off), both the PASM and PDCC is put into a "normal/comfort mode" which softens the compression damping of the shocks, adds some rebound damping, and reduces both the front and rear roll stiffness (PDCC). The PDCC is always active, it's mode is altered.
Conversely, when the PDCC console button is activated (light on), the dampers are stiffened by a large amount and the PDCC is put into "performance mode" which severely controls chassis roll depending on other factors (if it thinks you're turning or going over bumps, etc).
When the PDCC console button is deactivated (light is off), both the PASM and PDCC is put into a "normal/comfort mode" which softens the compression damping of the shocks, adds some rebound damping, and reduces both the front and rear roll stiffness (PDCC). The PDCC is always active, it's mode is altered.
Conversely, when the PDCC console button is activated (light on), the dampers are stiffened by a large amount and the PDCC is put into "performance mode" which severely controls chassis roll depending on other factors (if it thinks you're turning or going over bumps, etc).
#26
Don't forget, Mercedes is also headquartered in Stuttgart.
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#27
When the 991.1 was introduced (early 2012), Porsche's literature described it as providing something like 13 seconds faster time around the Nurgbergring than the previous model when equipped with Sport PASM (shorter stiffer springs (+additional 20mm lower than PASM) and stiffer roll bar, and PDCC, in an S (which also had the mode sensitive, stiffening" engined mounts). They attributed about half of the gain to the SPASM and half to the PDCC.
As I understand it, the SPASM option gives mode sensitive damper rebound rates and the faster/sharper response makes the car feel like it "rides harder" at hight rates. The PDCC varies roll stiffness by mode and speed and keeps the car "flatter" - the principle advantage for track times being that it keeps the tire contact patch at its maximum.
Thirteen seconds is a lot of time, but over a very long run at high momentum speeds at the "Ring. I don't know how that would transfer to a more typical track (e.g., 2-3 miles), but damper rebound rate, center of gravity and contact patch are important variables around any track -other things being equal.
As I understand it, the SPASM option gives mode sensitive damper rebound rates and the faster/sharper response makes the car feel like it "rides harder" at hight rates. The PDCC varies roll stiffness by mode and speed and keeps the car "flatter" - the principle advantage for track times being that it keeps the tire contact patch at its maximum.
Thirteen seconds is a lot of time, but over a very long run at high momentum speeds at the "Ring. I don't know how that would transfer to a more typical track (e.g., 2-3 miles), but damper rebound rate, center of gravity and contact patch are important variables around any track -other things being equal.
#28
Points for effort, Worf. No matter how many times or how clearly its stated a lot of people still think the button turns PDCC on and off.
It should be a fairly straightforward thing to understand. Especially compared to this: http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...pension-works/
It should be a fairly straightforward thing to understand. Especially compared to this: http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...pension-works/