Any daily driver advice?
12-28-2017, 11:49 PM
#46
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Gearbox,
I see your point on a CTS V. I went to have a cappuccino at the Cadillac Houde in NYC the other day (very good coffee) and they had a blue one. I've had AMG before, and tend to like them. But I was favorably impressed with the one hey had on the floor. Owes (almost) nothing to an E63S. No way I would buy any Tesla for the same money, needless to say more money than that. With a lease and warranty, there is nothing to worry about. Cadillac conducts a driving school, sometimes at COTA, and that might be a good opportunity to really test the car, obviously at a cost. Depending on price differential, I would go CTS V instead of E 63S. For not much of a difference, the AMG is still AMG
May I ask what kind of deal there is in a CTS V?
I see your point on a CTS V. I went to have a cappuccino at the Cadillac Houde in NYC the other day (very good coffee) and they had a blue one. I've had AMG before, and tend to like them. But I was favorably impressed with the one hey had on the floor. Owes (almost) nothing to an E63S. No way I would buy any Tesla for the same money, needless to say more money than that. With a lease and warranty, there is nothing to worry about. Cadillac conducts a driving school, sometimes at COTA, and that might be a good opportunity to really test the car, obviously at a cost. Depending on price differential, I would go CTS V instead of E 63S. For not much of a difference, the AMG is still AMG
May I ask what kind of deal there is in a CTS V?
On the new E63 I have no idea. Its too new to see what depreciation is like but I'm pretty sure residuals will stay true to AMG tradition and sink like a rock dropped in a lake. Brand new I've heard most transactions are around the 125k mark (minus taxes etc) and the few nearly new used listings I've seen were around the 115k mark. In around a years time I'd expect them to be in the 85-95k range or ~10-15k more than the equivalent model year CTS-V. I don't mind waiting for 10-11 months as long as I'm getting a much better deal and more cars to choose from.
12-28-2017, 11:57 PM
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I did test a P90D a while back. Its insanely quick off the line but thats about it. Engine noise is a big factor for me and i'm ICE for life as long as I can get away with it. To add to that the build quality was horrifying - more like a kit car built in a chop shop than a mass manufactured car. Anecdotally, they also seem to have a lot of reliability issues - a friend's model X was in the shop so much he got rid of it for a hybrid 5 series.
12-28-2017, 11:59 PM
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Forgive me, Hawkeye, but I have to pick on the SUV meme. Outside of the US and China, does anybody besides posers buy "luxury" SUV's? And for everyone who thinks they are fun to drive, have they compared them to mid or large size sedans, especially hot-rod versions? And for SUV owners in the US, how many ever use any of the "utility" capabilities beyond what an AWD sedan or wagon can provide (or just any of these "rugged" capabilities at all)?
12-29-2017, 12:18 AM
#49
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Not a single visit to Tesla service other than annual maintenance in two and a half years and 30k miles. Fleet wide 98% owner satisfaction. They may run out of cash but the product ain't the problem with Tesla.
12-29-2017, 12:27 AM
#50
Gearbox and br911, I was able to drive CTS-V and ATS-V at the COTA. Wonderful cars and I had a blast. One of my friends recently swapped AMG C63 for a CTS-V. Interestingly I preferred the ATS-V because it was lighter by ~500 lbs with just enough power, but the 640 ponies are addictive.
12-29-2017, 12:47 AM
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My definition of a daily driver is a car that I won't obsess about and have peace of mind when parking it on the street, great ground clearance for retarded driveways, practical, and comfortable. Right now my daily driver is Uber 
The 991.2 is my weekend car as I live and work in San Francisco. If my condo in the city had more than one parking space, I would get a "beater". By that I mean a less expensive and more practical entry-level luxury car. It really depends where you live, but in San Francisco, there are plenty of construction, driveways designed in the 1960s where my previous M5 would bottom out and so would any other modern cars, and the streets are littered with homeless people that you can never relax when parking on the street. Also, don't forget the idiotic drivers who can't park and could care less of other people's properties. City living is not ideal for fancy cars.
"Beater" options:
The 991.2 is my weekend car as I live and work in San Francisco. If my condo in the city had more than one parking space, I would get a "beater". By that I mean a less expensive and more practical entry-level luxury car. It really depends where you live, but in San Francisco, there are plenty of construction, driveways designed in the 1960s where my previous M5 would bottom out and so would any other modern cars, and the streets are littered with homeless people that you can never relax when parking on the street. Also, don't forget the idiotic drivers who can't park and could care less of other people's properties. City living is not ideal for fancy cars."Beater" options:
- Lease / own a moderately optioned BMW X3
- Lease / own a Lexus IS, 3 series, C-Class
- Hot hatches: GTI/Golf-R, Ford Focus RS, WRX
- Alfa Guilia Quaddrifolio
- M3 or C63
- Audi RS4 Avant - I have my eyes on this one and willing to consider purchasing a nearby parking space to own one.
- Porsche Macan Turbo / GTS
- M5 / E63
- CLS63
- RS7
- Panamera
12-29-2017, 06:03 AM
#52
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Didn't read the thread . Hands down for me the best daily driver has been the Macan . I've owned both GTS and Turbo and both are spectacular. They have space , great drivability in any weather , fit in any parking space , are fun to drive , and are priced very nicely. It's the most driven car in my house . During Hurricane Irma it became my ONLY vehicle used for at least a month and it drove through all the drama that a bad storm can leave like a champion.
12-29-2017, 06:54 AM
#53
Why not stick to DD your GTS?
Seriously, I have been DDing my 997 CS for years and then when time came to decide on what would be my next DD car I looked at my options. With all the new trends and new manufacturer's philosophies I dislike I narrowed it down to two choices only. So for me it was either <2015 Mercedes c62 AMG due to the last legendary NA AMG 6.2L V8 engine (preferably Black series or at least a 507) or another 911. At the end after a few month of low mile c62 amg hunt I went with 991.1 CS and do not look back.
As for SUVs and trucks, I do not use my SUVs and trucks as DDs. They serve ski vacations, longer trip purposes as well as utilitarian expeditions
Seriously, I have been DDing my 997 CS for years and then when time came to decide on what would be my next DD car I looked at my options. With all the new trends and new manufacturer's philosophies I dislike I narrowed it down to two choices only. So for me it was either <2015 Mercedes c62 AMG due to the last legendary NA AMG 6.2L V8 engine (preferably Black series or at least a 507) or another 911. At the end after a few month of low mile c62 amg hunt I went with 991.1 CS and do not look back.
As for SUVs and trucks, I do not use my SUVs and trucks as DDs. They serve ski vacations, longer trip purposes as well as utilitarian expeditions
12-29-2017, 11:47 PM
#54
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I'll bite. Wagons don't sell in the US, and there aren't any fun ones that I know of. Also I think they look like crap, so they wouldn't be in the picture anyway. As for sedans, I love them but I have three kids and we go on road trips all the time. With an SUV I can stack a bunch of luggage, beach umbrellas, chairs etc in the back. And I can carry pieces of furniture, exhaust systems, wheels, etc in the back as well. So yes I use the cargo space a lot.
Could I do that in an SUV that didn't have 700hp? Sure, but life is too short not to have as much fun as you can afford. Hence why we're all here on a Porsche forum.
Could I do that in an SUV that didn't have 700hp? Sure, but life is too short not to have as much fun as you can afford. Hence why we're all here on a Porsche forum.
12-30-2017, 10:13 AM
#55
Reacher, I certainly endorse satisfying your individual needs and tastes. And the uses you describe can justify an SUV (or, god forbid, a minivan). But I still suspect that in the US, most owners of SUV's never leave the pavement, never deal with adverse conditions like deep snow that an AWD sedan could not handle, and buy more based on fashion. And since fashion is maleable, I could imagine most buyers switching preferences if manufacturers and other influential car people (us!) promoted other options.
That is 100% true, and I know that's a common criticism. However, that's capitalism for you, and to be honest I don't really see anything wrong with it. The owners of the cars are happy even if they don't use them to their full potential, the manufacturers are happy because they get to design cool cars and keep lots of people employed, and so on.
I was born and grew up in Europe and in a lot of ways car choices are more utilitarian and pragmatic there. I think it really just comes down to things being more expensive and there being less money to go around. Relatively speaking, cars are really cheap in the US, as is gas, and there are a lot of people with high incomes. Car choices reflect that.
12-30-2017, 12:03 PM
#56
Didn't read the thread . Hands down for me the best daily driver has been the Macan . I've owned both GTS and Turbo and both are spectacular. They have space , great drivability in any weather , fit in any parking space , are fun to drive , and are priced very nicely. It's the most driven car in my house . During Hurricane Irma it became my ONLY vehicle used for at least a month and it drove through all the drama that a bad storm can leave like a champion.
The 991 is of course an excellent all around sports car but depending where you live, there are potential issues like public parking security, ground clearance, usable interior space, etc. So I tend to reserve mine on special occasions or for weekend fun.
12-30-2017, 01:46 PM
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12-30-2017, 02:03 PM
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It's exceptional on the freeway too. Ultra smooth, fast and a fantastic suspension. Ride quality is superb, yet also very responsive. And the seats are fantastic.