First drive reviews of 911T
#16
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To answer the original question, I doubt Porsche will do a press launch with this car. So you’re not going to see reviews on it. I could be dead wrong, of course, but that’s just my feeling
#17
I agree. The 911T is not sufficiently different enough to justify a press launch and dealer roll out.
#19
I drive for my satisfaction, not others, so I don't care how power output "sounds". Cars are already too fast to fully exploit on public roads, so I find it much more satisfying to ring a car out with less power than be frustrated by going easy with a more powerful car.
So the T with the base engine and shorter gearing, PTV & SPASM will make it the most fun 911 variant for my driving preferences.
So the T with the base engine and shorter gearing, PTV & SPASM will make it the most fun 911 variant for my driving preferences.
#20
I drive for my satisfaction, not others, so I don't care how power output "sounds". Cars are already too fast to fully exploit on public roads, so I find it much more satisfying to ring a car out with less power than be frustrated by going easy with a more powerful car.
So the T with the base engine and shorter gearing, PTV & SPASM will make it the most fun 911 variant for my driving preferences.
So the T with the base engine and shorter gearing, PTV & SPASM will make it the most fun 911 variant for my driving preferences.
The amount of time you can reasonably operate a base 991.2 at full throttle on public roads is measured in single-digit seconds. Paying-up for bigger turbos (in the S, GTS, TTS), IMO, epitomizes the law of diminishing returns. So, I'm glad people have choices and I'm glad the T exists because for some, like the poster above, getting the T's handling, gearing and aesthetic niceties is better value than getting extra power for the same upcharge.
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And I just can't see them doing that for this car.
Could be wrong. Maybe the changed gearing is something they want journos to experience? But I don't think so.
#22
THIS.
The amount of time you can reasonably operate a base 991.2 at full throttle on public roads is measured in single-digit seconds. Paying-up for bigger turbos (in the S, GTS, TTS), IMO, epitomizes the law of diminishing returns. So, I'm glad people have choices and I'm glad the T exists because for some, like the poster above, getting the T's handling, gearing and aesthetic niceties is better value than getting extra power for the same upcharge.
The amount of time you can reasonably operate a base 991.2 at full throttle on public roads is measured in single-digit seconds. Paying-up for bigger turbos (in the S, GTS, TTS), IMO, epitomizes the law of diminishing returns. So, I'm glad people have choices and I'm glad the T exists because for some, like the poster above, getting the T's handling, gearing and aesthetic niceties is better value than getting extra power for the same upcharge.
#23
I've changed my opinion on the T. I went from cynical to being glad it exists as a great alternative to a base car. But I still wish they'd gone way further with the idea...
#24
I'm probably going to get flamed here, but I just personally don't see the appeal of this car. As soon as you put some options on it, all of which are available on the S, its not a performance bargain. I do understand some of the cosmetic options aren't available, as well as the weight savings (which is completely negligible in my mind).
Then again, Porsche probably doesn't want to sell a ton of these anyway. They make better margin if you buy an S. This car is more a marketing thing.
#25
Oh, I do imagine. All the time. That would be a 911 for the ages.
I owned a '87 944S for 9 years, a model distinguished from the regular 2.5L 944 by a unique 16-valve head. All the power was above 4k, so the factory gave it a shorter final drive ratio to take advantage. About a third the way through my ownership I spun a rod bearing at Laguna and replaced the 2.5L engine with a 3.0L 16v 944S2 motor. That gave me the best of both worlds: torque + short gearing.
Throttle response (or what the Germans call "biss" meaning bite or sting) on that thing was Heaven. Way better than any air-cooled 911 I've ever driven.
I owned a '87 944S for 9 years, a model distinguished from the regular 2.5L 944 by a unique 16-valve head. All the power was above 4k, so the factory gave it a shorter final drive ratio to take advantage. About a third the way through my ownership I spun a rod bearing at Laguna and replaced the 2.5L engine with a 3.0L 16v 944S2 motor. That gave me the best of both worlds: torque + short gearing.
Throttle response (or what the Germans call "biss" meaning bite or sting) on that thing was Heaven. Way better than any air-cooled 911 I've ever driven.
#26
Well, Porsche claims lower gearing for the T but the listed top speed is only 2 MPH slower than the base and the 0-60 is only 0.1 second quicker so how much lower can it be?
My butt would not be able to tell the difference between 4.3 and 4.2.
Also zero-60 is the same for both with PDK
My butt would not be able to tell the difference between 4.3 and 4.2.
Also zero-60 is the same for both with PDK
#27
I ordered a T last week. I've had 48 911's including 4 991.1's. I don't track my car except for an occasional PCA DE weekend just to drive fast and experience the race track at speed. I live in Austin and just to get on COTA is a blast. Even at my modest level. I have been a Porsche enthusiast since my first one in '74 stationed as an Air Force pilot in Europe. What is important to me is Sport Exhaust, the sport PASM and the short shift manual transmission. All my 991's and the later 997's had PDK or Tiptronic. This car made me want to back to the manual! I ordered it with a few things such as LCA, T interior, BOSE (reluctantly), Entry and drive, and Chrono. Having driven the Base and S back to back they are both great cars and I just didn't see enough difference for every day driving to get an S. The new turbo engine is really good on both models. My build came out to $111,500 and change. I think it will be a really great 911.
#28
I don’t get this car and think it is a Marketing gimmick. Why not offer sport PASM in the base Carrera. The accent bits are not to everyone’s taste. With the turbos, the slightly shorter gearing is besides the point. PTV in this car has no auto braking but so what? My 4s has the mechanical differential with the auto braking. And the cloth seats and cloth pull handles seem awfully gimmicky. Less sound deadening but the savings are 11 pounds over a base Carrera with 19 inch wheels. And no upgraded standard brakes. Not sure why I would buy this over the S. And this car has the SE which some folks like me don’t like.
Well another flavor from the 911 lineup to choose from I suppose.
Well another flavor from the 911 lineup to choose from I suppose.
#29
Press cars are unregistered cars that Porsche has to make, ship to a location (or multiple) for reviews. Then their press fleet manager has to set up the time, deliver it to the reviewers, etc. It's something that costs money. Especially since those cars are not resold to the public.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...ic-test-review
http://www.porschechandler.com/used/...fba2c1339a.htm
#30
[QUOTE, it is It is hard to configure a 911T for much less than low end 911S levels.[/QUOTE]
Since my low end 2017 MT 911S had a MSRP of approximately $106K, it is impossible, not just hard, to configure a 911T for much less.
Since my low end 2017 MT 911S had a MSRP of approximately $106K, it is impossible, not just hard, to configure a 911T for much less.