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Old 11-07-2017, 03:11 PM
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find me a 2013 basic carrera with less than 60k miles for 45k or less and i buy it.

there is not one in the USA.
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Originally Posted by Archimedes
There is no way he's reselling that car for mid to upper 50's, due to that last part of your comment above. 53k miles, out of warranty, soon to be 5 year old Carreras with pretty basic options don't sell for upper 50s. This is a $45k car.
The dealer wouldn’t be offering 47k if it’s a 45k car...

Quick search on cars.com shows the cheapest 2013 base in the US at 45900.00 w/ 95k miles. The rest are all listed at 50k +.

The closest listings I could find that match this car were all starting in the mid 50’s.
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https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...modelCode1=911

this is the cheapest 991 below 60k miles in the USA....private party that does not provide vin.
saying that this is a 45k car is not accurate.
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Originally Posted by phow
The dealer wouldn’t be offering 47k if it’s a 45k car...

Quick search on cars.com shows the cheapest 2013 base in the US at 45900.00 w/ 95k miles. The rest are all listed at 50k +.

The closest listings I could find that match this car were all starting in the mid 50’s.
He said private party sale, not dealer. Dealer can always get more.

Also, you're referencing asking prices, which are often arrived at right after sellers take a hit on the crack pipe. They're not actual sale prices.
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Originally Posted by 997c2sla
this is the cheapest 991 below 60k miles in the USA....private party that does not provide vin.
saying that this is a 45k car is not accurate.
You do know the difference between asking prices and actual sale prices right? Porsche owners tend to have a very inflated view of the value of their cars.
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I do know the difference between asking prices and actual sale prices and while I appreciate your input, I still disagree with your statement.

Saying that a 991 base carrera with 53k miles is a 45k car....while some 997.1 sell for 40k +...is incorrect.
If this was a 45k car, the dealer would not have offered 47 k as a trade in.
That is a fact.
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Originally Posted by 997c2sla
I do know the difference between asking prices and actual sale prices and while I appreciate your input, I still disagree with your statement.

Saying that a 991 base carrera with 53k miles is a 45k car....while some 997.1 sell for 40k +...is incorrect.
If this was a 45k car, the dealer would not have offered 47 k as a trade in.
That is a fact.
I agree with you... hard to find anything under 50... most likely 55... I'm sure some flooded cars will prove us wrong shortly via auctions and title cleanup, but until then if a dealer is offering 47, that car is probably worth low to mid 50s. All day. Good buy if you proceed !

Originally Posted by Archimedes
Porsche owners tend to have a very inflated view of the value of their cars.
I also agree with you on that... But I've found it's more prevalent on 997s when it comes to modern cars... Try and find a nice 997.2 under 55... Makes 991s seem like deals, and the 991 is newer and objectively faster...
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And it appears we are both "Alfisti"

thanks
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Originally Posted by Archimedes
He said private party sale, not dealer. Dealer can always get more.

Also, you're referencing asking prices, which are often arrived at right after sellers take a hit on the crack pipe. They're not actual sale prices.
See post #13

47k was the dealer offer according to the OP.

Asking prices and actual sale prices on these cars are very close.
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Originally Posted by 997c2sla
And it appears we are both "Alfisti"

thanks
Dunno that I'd race yours with mine, but yes... for now ;-( I confess a lack of space and redundant car in my 73 bmw 2002 (which I cannot ever sell) , I fear the Alfa will go eventually... I just am delaying it as much as possible ! Too bad you're in LA, would have enjoyed a family picture of the italians ;-)
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Originally Posted by Archimedes
There is no way he's reselling that car for mid to upper 50's, due to that last part of your comment above. 53k miles, out of warranty, soon to be 5 year old Carreras with pretty basic options don't sell for upper 50s. This is a $45k car.
La la land must be nice. May I join you there?

You won’t even find a salvaged 991 going for $45K, any year or mileage.

Anyone who buys this at $48K is sitting on profit. A dealer doesn’t buy a car for $47K without having significant upside. Market prices for 991’s are not hard to find.

Being conservative, you can get a buyer for $52K. Considering how highly priced 991’s are, with that mileage I feel I could sell it for a couple or few K more. In SoCal, with a desirable color/options combo, high $50’s isn’t even out of the question.
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Originally Posted by GregD
Dunno that I'd race yours with mine, but yes... for now ;-( I confess a lack of space and redundant car in my 73 bmw 2002 (which I cannot ever sell) , I fear the Alfa will go eventually... I just am delaying it as much as possible ! Too bad you're in LA, would have enjoyed a family picture of the italians ;-)
I love my 4c but it is not very practical.
Keep the Alfa! If I ever come to SF I will make sure to hit you up.
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Originally Posted by K-A
La la land must be nice. May I join you there?

You won’t even find a salvaged 991 going for $45K, any year or mileage.

Anyone who buys this at $48K is sitting on profit. A dealer doesn’t buy a car for $47K without having significant upside. Market prices for 991’s are not hard to find.

Being conservative, you can get a buyer for $52K. Considering how highly priced 991’s are, with that mileage I feel I could sell it for a couple or few K more. In SoCal, with a desirable color/options combo, high $50’s isn’t even out of the question.
I'm guessing you overpaid for your car.
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Originally Posted by 997c2sla
I do know the difference between asking prices and actual sale prices and while I appreciate your input, I still disagree with your statement.

Saying that a 991 base carrera with 53k miles is a 45k car....while some 997.1 sell for 40k +...is incorrect.
If this was a 45k car, the dealer would not have offered 47 k as a trade in.
That is a fact.
The dealer will sell if for $55k. Because they're a dealer and they can get better pricing. A private party sale is entirely different. By all means, pay what it's worth to you. Just remember that it's a five year old, out of warranty, higher mileage, non CPO, fairly basically optioned 911. Personally, I don't think that's worth a dime over 50 percent of original sticker, but all that matters is what it's worth to you. Just make sure to get a thorough PPI.

And don't forget, what 997.1's are asking for in their ads is NOT what they are actually selling for. If all the information that you have is what you see in the ads, then all you have is the ask, which is typically well above the bid.
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Originally Posted by Archimedes
Personally, I don't think that's worth a dime over 50 percent of original sticker
I don't want to jump in the middle of that highly philosophical debate, but I'm in the same denial situation with regards to 356 prices, except the argument is reversed as they appreciate... They are not worth 80 -100K in my book, as I owned a few and my personal valuation is 1/3 to 1/2 of that at most... But it does not matter, I've had zero success convincing sellers to sell me one for 25K ;-) The price is what the market dictates. That's why I still haven't bought another 356, and I've never ever seen a 991 with a sales price starting with a 4 yet... At least one not fished from a pond or from a Texas flood...

Auction cars don't count in my book, generally they have a bad history or were not good enough to be sold by dealers... Gonna do a search - they may have dropped a lot since I last looked...
EDIT: cheapest on carmax is 56. Cheapest 991 on autotrader is 60-something... Cheapest on autotempest high 50s... Still not seeing 4xxxx cars..pray tell where...


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