ipse dixit

The 488 engine is nearly lag free.

The 9A2 is right behind it. Literally, right behind in terms of lag.

The worst high-end engine in terms of lag is whatever McLaren is using in the 570S.

None of that should be interpreted to mean that a FI engine, even one as nearly lag free as the one in the 488, can replicate the experience of a NA engine.

In other words, the 9A2 is nearly lag free, but does it replicate the experience of a 9A1? No.

Johnny5Alive

Geez I think the 991.2 0-60 lovers are missing the point.

Anyone who who buys a GT3 and using it for its intended purpose cares that it has enough power to compete on track irrespective of whether a turbo charged car is faster in a straight line. GT3 buyers who actually track their cars typically don't buy turbos because they need a more direct correlation between accelerator pedal and the cars power delivery. Any lumpy delivery, no matter how slight can be incredibly frustrating when holding a racing line.

If you want a 0-60 911 get the turbo S.

And yes, I know the 991.2 is faster than my 991.1S. I test drive both-- mine was one of the last 2016's. Buy what you prefer, and don't put others down for their choices. You just make yourself look insecure when doing it.

sticky

I don't disagree. That doesn't mean the GTS isn't quicker for less money with far more tuning potential though.

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Bingo

sticky

Not exactly, he means area under the curve. We aren't racing diesels. It's about torque x rpm / 5252

randr

Likewise the 9A1 doesn't replicate the experience of the 9A2 - the real world and actual performance difference is substantial and that matters to those that want a different level of performance. It can't be ignored and most would acknowledge that it transforms the 991.

For those NA guys that keep going on about 0-60 times.....therefore get a TTS..... you are totally missing the point, the TTS has very different response characteristics, is heavier and has AWD (Din -1600kg TTS Vs Din - 1460kg X51S ~ in imperial thats over 300lbs).

For many its about the total package and the full performance envelope that package offers. Its not a one dimensional issue.

In terms of the 488 engine, Porsches own works drivers preferred it to the new mill in the GT3. I'm not surprised by this at all. I'm also not surprised by the out come in the video the OP posted.

Its good that Porsche provide choice, with choice there are different experiences to be had. This should be celebrated.

And at the end of the day the video simply demonstrates how close these cars are - the Carrera has grown up, again thats something to celebrate.

TexasPorschelover

I don't know why a .2 GTS couldn't hang with a .2 GT3 on a track too. Same tire size... suspension about the same with an incredible power plant too. More torque wouldn't hurt either. Wish someone could do a really detailed side by side track comparison, same day, same conditions, accurate timers etc. I bet the .2 GTS give the .2 GT3 a real run for its money.

wareaglescott

Probably close enough where the driver would make the difference in one vs the other. Back to the video that started this thread we are talking 1/10th a second. Certainly a small enough margin where a better driver in a track situation could certainly make either of them the faster car. Now with launch control and a straight line it pretty much takes driver skill out of the equation but like others said who is really drag racing on the street with launch control anyways. That is the only place this video would be applicable.

randr

Its the driver that counts with most of these cars (on track).

Its not the car that makes the driver its the driver that makes the car.

To drive the GTS or GT3 to the limits and post quick times commensurate with the friction circles, as defined by the tires, requires a lot of track time.

The rest is just hot air, it really is . Straight line is a different kettle of fish. Its hard to argue with the GTS credentials and you can get ventilated seats

Keadog

Yes! And MFSW. And 5 bolt wheels.

All of which are why I'm not bugging my dealer for a GT3 Touring allocation.
If it was being made in my definition of "touring", then 500 NA HP and the 6 speed from the 911R would make it a different story.

I like fast cars but I spend 99.9% of my time on regular roads.

TexasPorschelover

And a back seat too!

9914s

corvette Z06.

Jabs1542

Negative: Put slicks on both cars and the GTS will suffer (I'm going through this now with my C2S). The GT3 has stiffer springs and a two-piece lower control arm that allows more than the GTS's -2 degrees of camber (plus many other suspension differences). On a road course this is enough of a difference with similar drivers.

BTW: Have yet to see a 991.2 on the track. Saw a Cayman .2 on the track two weeks ago, impressive...

K-A

Sound > Torque.

K-A

Sticky seems to keep missing why N/A 911's are revered and why every N/A 911 will hold better value in the future over his 991.2.

It's not acceleration. It's not MPG. It's soulfulness, sound, rev rewarding powerband (file under soul) and visceral engagement.

Nobody in their right mind disputes the 991.2's are absolute beasts. Much like the 718, one upside to the a car that's historically known for its auditory quality losing that auditory quality, is that Porsche had to compensate by making it perform immaculately. Of course, the 991.2 doesn't sound near as bad as a 718, but the worst sounding N/A flat 6 sounds eons better, and it just leaves a lot to be desired in that category, namely compared to previous 911's. I know of guys with 991.2 GTS's who say their Macan GTS's sound better (and louder).

The 991.2 is as superior to the 991.1 in performance as the latter is to the former in sound and rev happiness (and imo that's being generous to 991.2's). Both have their perks and will fulfill different people's needs.

Though, I do find it funny how after 50+ years of 911's building reputations as the most revered sports cars in the world, reputations as anti-torque, rev monsters.. all of a sudden we have some guys going full Camaro with the torquegasms because Porsche boosted the Carreras. Torque is great, immense fun on roads, and it's in healthy supply on a plethora of cars that previous N/A 911's obliterated in comparison reviews, despite muscle-car "torque bros"' kicks and screams.