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Old 07-18-2017, 09:50 AM
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Enjoying my 2016 Targa 4S with 7k miles when dealer calls & says he has a Targa GTS build and do I want it? Can't decide. Mine was custom ordered & I love it. Don't want regrets about passing up a gts though. ???
Old 07-18-2017, 09:56 AM
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Keep it....you can always get the 992 Targa GTS down the road when yours is a bit more tired (or at least broken in).
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Doubt you'll notice the 30 HP bump.

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Ask him how much $$$ he wants you to write a check $$$ for and I'm sure you'll make up your mind quick.

Not to mention, the last 2016 NA TARGA is a keeper!!

Pass up a GTS?? Don't fall for the marketing pitch.
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Originally Posted by STG
Ask him how much $$$ he wants you to write a check $$$ for and I'm sure you'll make up your mind quick.

Not to mention, the last 2016 NA TARGA is a keeper!!

Pass up a GTS?? Don't fall for the marketing pitch.
^this

Old 07-18-2017, 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by LexVan
Doubt you'll notice the 30 HP bump.

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991.1 400hp NA 3.8 to 991.2 450hp 3.0tt

For a targa the torque from the turbo might not be a bad way to go. Do you love the NA characteristics? You will lose that but the new car will be faster.
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Originally Posted by R_Rated
991.1 400hp NA 3.8 to 991.2 450hp 3.0tt

For a targa the torque from the turbo might not be a bad way to go. Do you love the NA characteristics? You will lose that but the new car will be faster.
Good point. Missed that (year and 991.2). He'll feel the 50 HP and torque. Especially in the heavy Targa config.
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Originally Posted by R_Rated
991.1 400hp NA 3.8 to 991.2 450hp 3.0tt

For a targa the torque from the turbo might not be a bad way to go. Do you love the NA characteristics? You will lose that but the new car will be faster.
I built one and deleted some gts aspects already as I still want ventilated seats and chrome. Hate to say it but NA sound is 1000x better sounding to me. Power is really only + to me
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Originally Posted by LexVan
Good point. Missed that (year and 991.2). He'll feel the 50 HP and torque. Especially in the heavy Targa config.
Originally Posted by bernpep
I built one and deleted some gts aspects already as I still want ventilated seats and chrome. Hate to say it but NA sound is 1000x better sounding to me. Power is really only + to me
We're knit picking the added weight of the targa but in interweb debates it always comes up that the targa is heavier and slower. It is - but not enough to matter on the street. With this in mind - the new engine platform will have a lot more thrust down low. Negligible up high.

Given your miles, guessing it's a toy car. If you love your engine then you'll regret the trade. If you have plans on driving it every day then perhaps the 3.0tt is the way to go.

If you search hard enough - you can find another allocation but there are a finite number of 3.8 targas available, little to none with the miles of yours.

Lastly - if you do make the move, you know you're going to take a financial bath.... Not that these are sound investments but it would be an expensive move for an engine you don't love as much in a car you rarely drive.

Plus we all know 991.1 > 991.2
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Originally Posted by R_Rated

Plus we all know 991.1 > 991.2
Oh, here we go again...
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Originally Posted by PJ Cayenne
Oh, here we go again...
No, not my intention. I will say though that if the new gts was a 450 hp NA then I would not hesitate to buy. The sound of mine is a game changer for me. When I drove the .2 with sport exhaust it had a little highway drone even with the s.e. turned off. Different animal to me
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Unless you're a NA *****, I would do it.

The low-end torque in the 991.2 really makes the Targa feel lively. For a lighter car, with a lower COG, the high revving 9A1 in the 991.1 is fine, as the C2/C4 chassis setup is still lithe enough to make the 9A1 feel magical.

The extra 300 pounds (or so) the Targa carries over the regular 911, however, makes the 9A1 feel rather lethargic unless the engine is being revved out beyond 4 or 5k RPM, consistently. This is where the added low-end torque from the 9A2 really comes in handy. Even though all the magical driver aids devised by the elves at Stuttgart to make the Targa drive likes it's on rails, they still can't hide the additional weight when you just want to push off the line, or accelerate out of a turn.
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Originally Posted by R_Rated
991.1 400hp NA 3.8 to 991.2 450hp 3.0tt

For a targa the torque from the turbo might not be a bad way to go. Do you love the NA characteristics? You will lose that but the new car will be faster.
Shhhh, don't let Sticky hear you say this. It'll bust his stereotype of 991.1 owners all to hell!
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Originally Posted by ipse dixit
Unless you're a NA *****, I would do it.

The low-end torque in the 991.2 really makes the Targa feel lively. For a lighter car, with a lower COG, the high revving 9A1 in the 991.1 is fine, as the C2/C4 chassis setup is still lithe enough to make the 9A1 feel magical.

The extra 300 pounds (or so) the Targa carries over the regular 911, however, makes the 9A1 feel rather lethargic unless the engine is being revved out beyond 4 or 5k RPM, consistently. This is where the added low-end torque from the 9A2 really comes in handy. Even though all the magical driver aids devised by the elves at Stuttgart to make the Targa drive likes it's on rails, they still can't hide the additional weight when you just want to push off the line, or accelerate out of a turn.
I agree with all your points but if I did not rev my engine past 5k what would be the point of owning it? I find the higher range howl of my car the best part & the low part of the .2
Old 07-18-2017, 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by bernpep
I agree with all your points but if I did not rev my engine past 5k what would be the point of owning it? I find the higher range howl of my car the best part & the low part of the .2
You just answered your own question and saved yourself a lot of $$$.

Congrats!!!


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