X51 kit - 991.2S - Suncoast
#16
I'm located right in Sarasota so would come to Suncoast for the install. Few questions:
What labor charge would the Suncoast service dept quote for the install?
Suncoast is listed as a certified GIAC installer; if the service dept does the GIAC tune, do they instantly flag Porsche NA that the car is modded?
What labor charge would the Suncoast service dept quote for the install?
Suncoast is listed as a certified GIAC installer; if the service dept does the GIAC tune, do they instantly flag Porsche NA that the car is modded?
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#17
Originally Posted by mikex25
how capable turbo motors are Porsche knows if they allowed it for the base it would cut into sales of S and GTS. It's all about money and selling cars.
So I still don’t know if a dealership would refuse without technical explanation to install the kit on a base. My guess is yes, they will refuse it.
#19
Originally Posted by subshooter
Can I do this with the Base engine? It seems like I can and would be a huge bargain.
#20
I'm seeing if I can get the GTS turbos to work on a base. Those interested feel free to PM.
#23
Also, the S/GTS come with more cooling capacity, bigger brakes, and who knows what else. This may not matter at all for some peoples’ use cases but the car has been engineered not to blow up when using all the performance on a warm day in Kuwait (50C).
I suspect that the factory would say they’d want to upgrade more than just the engine to warranty the car and at that point you might as well get the S/GTS/TT...
I suspect that the factory would say they’d want to upgrade more than just the engine to warranty the car and at that point you might as well get the S/GTS/TT...
#24
Also, the S/GTS come with more cooling capacity, bigger brakes, and who knows what else. This may not matter at all for some peoples’ use cases but the car has been engineered not to blow up when using all the performance on a warm day in Kuwait (50C).
I suspect that the factory would say they’d want to upgrade more than just the engine to warranty the car and at that point you might as well get the S/GTS/TT...
I suspect that the factory would say they’d want to upgrade more than just the engine to warranty the car and at that point you might as well get the S/GTS/TT...
#25
Maybe. I was thinking more of the extra ducts, vents and larger radiators as you progress up the 911 range. Comparing the basic Carrera to the GT2 RS, the latter is mostly holes to let the air in/out!
#26
I dropped the hammer on the deal today. Parts arrive at the begining of August or thereabouts. I will keep you posted.
At the end of the day, I'm paying about the same price in OZ as the kit costs in the US with labour added on top. In my case the kit really comes down to two turbos and the engine cover. I have RAS thus the brake ducts are already fitted.
Some thoughts after discussion with various people - it is absolutely clear that Porsche has a very tight rein on their dealer/supplier network.
The critical path items are the codes that allow the ECU to be updated/remapped/reprogrammed - this appears to be all encompassing e.g. links through SC and PSE, throttle mapping, engine mapping, boost control and ultimately PDK.
Thus in effect, the cost covers two turbos and a full warranty supported remap which turns your S into a GTS. In essence this kit represents the closest thing you will get to a Porsche bargain.
There is no doubt in my mind that these turbos will fit a base model so long as it is fitted with PSE. However, the official Porsche remap will not be possible as it is controlled by codes which are linked to the VIN.
At the end of the day, I'm paying about the same price in OZ as the kit costs in the US with labour added on top. In my case the kit really comes down to two turbos and the engine cover. I have RAS thus the brake ducts are already fitted.
Some thoughts after discussion with various people - it is absolutely clear that Porsche has a very tight rein on their dealer/supplier network.
The critical path items are the codes that allow the ECU to be updated/remapped/reprogrammed - this appears to be all encompassing e.g. links through SC and PSE, throttle mapping, engine mapping, boost control and ultimately PDK.
Thus in effect, the cost covers two turbos and a full warranty supported remap which turns your S into a GTS. In essence this kit represents the closest thing you will get to a Porsche bargain.
There is no doubt in my mind that these turbos will fit a base model so long as it is fitted with PSE. However, the official Porsche remap will not be possible as it is controlled by codes which are linked to the VIN.
#28
I know that after the installation of the hardware the car needs to have the ecu reflashed. Having said that the installation of the hardware appears to be pretty simple if you have the tools and know how. Anyone attempted to do the hardware installation themselves and then have a Porsche Tech do the software? Or would the car be undriveable to the dealer without the new s/w?
#30
Originally Posted by flickroll
I know that after the installation of the hardware the car needs to have the ecu reflashed. Having said that the installation of the hardware appears to be pretty simple if you have the tools and know how. Anyone attempted to do the hardware installation themselves and then have a Porsche Tech do the software? Or would the car be undriveable to the dealer without the new s/w?
A base X51 upgrade is not in their interest.
One can buy the turbo alone, the parts numbers are freely available in the internets. I believe that some gain would happen with such swap, probably not all of it as the turbo pressure is one of the differences. Perhaps a future aftermarket ECU flash with a turbo swap...