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Old 12-16-2015, 02:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Visceral
I'm surprised people liken the 991 and the 997.2 as much as they do. I believe the 991 will depreciate more slowly than the 997.

For me, the 997 TTS was a non-starter. I found the ride to be *much* less compliant than any number of very fast cars I've had over the years. The acceleration was phenomenal, but I also found the interior of the 997 TTS to be far less "my thing".

Don't just take it from me. At a major Fortune 500 company where I worked for many years, there was two 997 TT and a 997 GT2 RS. At the time when I left four months ago, there were 7 991 TTS's and *countless* NA 991s in the parking lot.

The accessibility and integration of the 991 Turbos will mean they are far more desirable on the open market than the 997 Turbos. We are Porsche people and place a pretty strong value on the 997.2 cars, but I don't think the public outside of this community does.
I think the accessibility and intergration of the the 991 turbo compared to the 997 turbo is exactly why the 991 turbo will depreciate in time more so then the 997TT manual. It will not happen until warranty starts drop of at the same time replacement models hit the showroom floors... The curse of the latest greatest. Just like Mercedes Benz S class.

As far as Fortune 500 parking lots go, id say the parking spaces closest to the entrance house cars that are no older then 3 years (unless it is a 6 figures blue chip collector car)
The GT2RS you saw would now be bubble wrapped next to the owner's daily driver 991TTS in their garage.

You are totally right about interior. Porsche has never really been about interior.
Right from the long noses all the way to the 997s... non porsche people look at it and give it an instant fail lol. Cant blame them really. lol.
But then again what do they know about trail braking and corner exit speed.....
Old 12-16-2015, 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by tcsracing1
Right from the long noses all the way to the 997s... non porsche people look at it and give it an instant fail lol. Cant blame them really. lol.
But then again what do they know about trail braking and corner exit speed.....
Just let them drive a 930 Turbo on a Track, or even on the streets coming around a corner, and let them hit about 4K and let that Turbo Light Up! BOOM instant spin out. Too bad for the Car, could care less about the Barney behind the wheel.
Old 12-18-2015, 07:59 PM
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Just did a quick search on autotrader for 991TT and there are several CPO 2013/14 with low mileage for sale at dealerships for about $127 to $135k. In couple years these cars will be around $100k to $110k, may be at the end of 2016 you can get 991TT for less than $120k.
Old 12-19-2015, 04:32 PM
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991Ss are getting extraordinarily expensive. I was at my local Porsche dealer a few days ago and they had a 2016 991Turo S cabrio in their showroom with a MSRP of $215K, but I'm sure that they are willing to listen to offers.
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Originally Posted by tcsracing1
Clarification. If you are a hardcore manual guy, (the kind of guy that will only buy a manual.)
That's how I was yet the way the new car drives as a package changed my view. I can honestly say that even if a manual TT was made available now I wouldn't choose it. It may be a different case with a GT3 RS 991 where manual would be a better fit (having no turbos and being a more track focused car), but then again I'm making an assumption without having driven least of all owned the car, so I may well find myself completely wrong on that thinking (again).
Also the "I'm a manual only guy" crowd represent the extreme minority for Porsche now, further reinforced by the increase in sales numbers. And for that reason along with the situation buyers prefer the car the way it is now as it is a much more pleasant driving experience and an easier car to live with on a daily basis, yet far more competent as a performer, which is precisely why I feel the depreciation curve will (logically) be less with the newer 991 car vs 997. But time will tell. Other thing is that 991 will see more mileage put on the odo than any previous 911 for the aforementioned reasons, which will lower values as the car is more "worn" by the time it hits the used car market....an aspect worth considering.

Originally Posted by tcsracing1
Wait until 991 CPO's expire....
Not so sure there. That thinking can be applied to all 911's that fall outside of CPO but with 991 they aren't aren't experiencing the same costly levels of engine problems as 997, but I won't go there. No point. Some 997 owners get it, others become too far emotional to be able to have a mature discussion as already seen. And, I am referring to costly problems which occur within CPO, not 5 6 years after purchase when the same problems can re occur, and when the car is out of CPO. Needless to add AM warranties are available as a sales add on anyway soo..

Originally Posted by tcsracing1
The GT2RS you saw would now be bubble wrapped next to the owner's daily driver 991TTS in their garage.
All GT cars historically hold their values better, but it is somewhat a travesty (and dilemma) not being able to use a car in fear of putting mileage on it which will reduce the value as we all know.

Originally Posted by gotgolf52
Just did a quick search on autotrader for 991TT and there are several CPO 2013/14 with low mileage for sale at dealerships for about $127 to $135k. In couple years these cars will be around $100k to $110k, may be at the end of 2016 you can get 991TT for less than $120k.
No real surprises there. The cars are 2 to 3 years and would have seen a level of use....also what was their new price tags, options, KMs etc? -all relevant in valuing a used cars sale value. Other thing is now with .2 being released very soon the curve will increase for a period until the .2 is out and orders satisfied from those making a shift. It was much the same when .2 997 came about. 997.1 values lowered as more stock came onto the market from owners moving to .2. There are usually good bargains around these times - always a bit of a flurry with used prices. But the market stabilizes as do the prices along with availability of stock at one point usually 6 to 12 months on. Then .1 stock can dry up.

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