jw1977

I'm looking to upgrade from 997 C2S, I'm debating between a GTS and Turbo. When do people think the 991.1 Turbo will be around $100-115?

ipse dixit

Depends what the initial MSRP of the 991.1 TTS you're talking about.

For a 2014 car that stickered at ~180k (as an example) you might not see the second-hand market reach 115k (or thereabouts) for about another couple of years or so.

Might also depend on when the 1.2 TT/TTS are announced and available for delivery.

richk

I think they will be in the 120's in about a year...probably 2 years to get to your price range.

The 997 turbo s is a great buy in the 90's...its not a 991 turbo but its alot of car. My neighbor just picked up an 11 turbo s cab with 14k miles for 95k.

The New 911

If Porsche had not taken the 911 "Up Market" then they could be $100K already. There is no reason the price of the cars and the fact that people will pay the price we are where we are.

But Meh, if you have the cash to buy it and that is what you want then gopher-it.

The New 911

Well $105K-$110K....

FastLaneTurbo

That may take a very long time, barring a collapsing economy. Present advertised asking prices start from $130 K on up to MSRP for a TT and from $140 K on up for a TTS. about the same price or even lower than a well equipped GTS.
And those prices are not from Porsche Dealers. Personally, I would ONLY buy a TT
or TTS from a Porsche Dealer. Too many items on that car such as Brakes, Front Airdams, and Engines that can be ruined by previous owners and not covered
by warranty. A careful inspection is essential to avoid costly repairs, and paying a Porsche dealer 10% to 15% higher than the lowest advertised price is a prudent
investment IMO.

The more numerous TTS is a better buy on the used market than a TT. Both will likely depreciate far less than a new GTS will. At these prices, Turbos are outstanding buys. They may, and likely will, go down slightly during the winter but IMO will not reach the $100K level for several years. That would put them lower than a new base 911 Carrera with few options. If cost of ownership is your primary consideration, all the used Turbos on the market become a no-brainer.
Having driven them both, personally I VERY MUCH prefer the Turbo.

carcommander

Several years I would think. And, that would be for a non CPO car.

TT Surgeon

Two years would be about right, especially if they release a manual tt.

Visceral

The issue with waiting for the car to fall to $100k is the significant difference between the experience of the 997 TT and the 991 TT (or just the 997 to 997). For many, like me, the 997 TTS was out of the question. The 997 TTS ride was significantly firmer to me than I was looking for. The console was rather "old school" in design, and there were a number of features (adaptive cruise, LED lights, ventilated seats, etc) that the 991 TTS had that I couldnt find on the 997 TTS.

For me, the competition for a 2014 TTS was a 2016 GTS. In the end I prefered the power to the sound, hoping I could modify the TTS under warranty to sound more like a GTS (seems impossible after research). I expect the competition to still be between the used 991TTS's and new 991 models.

My question will be the worth of very well equipped cars (217k MSRP TTS for instance) over more stock cars (175k TT). I presume $42k of options would probably translate to $15k-$30k somewhere.

Visceral

They will release LOADS of manual models before the "GT" of the family will get one.

My expectation is that there won't be a non-PDK TT for a long long (long) time.

speed21

I would agree with Visceral here, IF (and that's a huge if) a manual ever materialized into the future, it would not have any affect on the values of .1tt PDK simply because the PDK has already proven to be more popular. I also note 997tt.2 PDK stood up well against the manual counterpart and, PDK (again) was the transmission of choice there. The 991TTPDK box has now seen even further improvements along with the entire car and undoubtedly the PDK will become further improved as technology advances into the newer models.

Mileage, color/trim combo, general condition, and whether the .2 is significantly better - these things will be the ultimate deciders and far more relevant to future 991tt.1 values than any reintroduction of a manual G/box into the .2 991turbo IMO. The old iron club die hards will (at one point) need to come to terms with the cold hard reality that not every Porsche enthusiast is going to opt to chain themselves to the cave.

TT Surgeon

Like I said, two years is about right. New Porsches depreciate like bricks as soon as you drive off the lot, 10-20% per year is the typical number, newsflash. Not sure what that has to do with caves?

speed21

....you are offending the real purists Chris.

speed21

Now here's a real purists "manual" for the real men Chris. Anything less and old iron club memberships will be revoked lol ...and at 20% depreciation per year she'll be worth?

Chubby Racer

If the plan is to continue wit a 9k rpm NA GT car, I doubt they'll ever go manual again. The synchros required to shift at that rpm make a transmission clunky and ungainly in everyday driving, and a dog-ringed box that would make that high rpm shifting a breeze would mean blip-shifting every downshift.