neanicu

I took the liberty of adding to this comparison the 2014 Porsche 911 Turbo S. Please feel free to share your thoughts about the 3.
Which one do you think will win the battle?
Which car looks more promising?


http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ack/index.html

kosmo

first of all shouldnt the comparo be GTR-AUDI R8 V8- 991 4 S ???? Price dictates that it should.

Anyway doesnt sit well w/ me the fact that the GTR is faster than the upcoming Turbo! The T should have way more HP, weigh a lot less, and ultimately faster all around and not just 0-60.

furthermore it will be interesting to see what Corvette has in store w/ the upcoming ZR1.


C'on P.

neanicu

No,I think the Turbo S fits right in this category and actually the V10 Audi is more expensive.
The GTR will always be cheaper,but they've chose to put it in this category because of its performance. And if you read the article,according to Motortrend the Audi won in terms of feel and was the car of choice. The GTR was better performing,but as always it lacked involvement.
Nobody has driven the Turbo S so it remains to be seen if it will win against the 2.

kosmo

IMO the TT and TTS are over priced. The TTS w/ a few options is in the 190's. crazy.

P guys, including my salesman, like to comp the GTR w/ the TT but i think it s/b vs the Carrera.
Having said that MT's drivers car of the yr is the 991 Carrera. I drive a Carrera.

Hussain

I think the new Turbo S will be faster than a GT-R in 0-60, and every other aspect that I care about. It will be interesting to read comparison tests once the same testers are testing both cars instead of Porsche's 0-60 claim vs. Nissan's.

kosmo

oh and another thing. Feel is an interesting thing as were all different. While I generally agree, that the GTR could have more "feel" I dont think its devoid of it. You can hear the transaxle working , the turbos swooshing, the gears whining, and all the other mechanically noises. In some aspects, pardon me here, its somewhat reminds of a 997 TT Mezger. The other thing I would say is that Feel and Sound are correlated. My friends GTR has an awesome exhaust set up and admittly it feels better than stock. Then again it maybe placebo.

95spiderman

this will be an easy one to predict. audi is best on street, gtr fastest on track, and tt will be compromise between the two.

btw, i never liked mt but they have really picked it up recently. good find

FastLaneTurbo

2012 TTS vs 2013 GT-R comparison by MT here:
Note the test concluded they were so close in performance, the $71,000 price difference made the
GT-R the clear choice for this reviewer.
On paper the 991 Turbo should Lap faster than the 2014 GT-R:
The TTS has 15 more HP (545 vs 560)
The TTS has 90 Ft. Lbs more Torque (553 Ft. Lbs w/OB vs 463)
An additional gear to work with (7 vs 6)
and 201 Lbs less weight (3,662 vs 3,881)
Both cars are now using the same tires (Dunlop Sport Maxx)
Yet the TTS lap times around Nurburgring of the new 991TS is 8 seconds slower than the $71K less expensive ($117K vs $182K) GTR (7:26 vs 7:18) and has matched the lap times of the $275K 997
GT2RS.
Since it is not power, not weight, not tires, and not Aerodynamics (Frontal area is larger, downforce is lower) I conclude it has to be suspension. If Rear wheel steering is so important for lower lap times, let Nissan practically invented rear wheel steering for GT cars, having used it since 1989 on the Skyline GTR
as the ATTESA-ETS 4WD AND Super-HICAS 4 wheel steering system. The complex HICAS system is no longer used on the GT-R, but apparently Nissan has found a way to use a far more simplified, reliable and obviously hugely effective passive 4 WD steering system in today's GT-R.
I conclude, advanced and improved as the 991 Chassis is, Porsche still has some catching up to do with Nissan.

Riz

Even the 997.2 turbo S was quicker than the 545 hp GTR I thought. The new TTS should be quicker than the GTR otherwise what is the point Porsche? Even the TT should be quicker than the GTR. You should not have to get the TTS just to beat the GTR imo. Anyway the driver involvement should be even less in the 991 TT/TTS than the 997 TTS. It is all about lap time now - no one cares unfortunately about driver involvement. F1 drivers don't care about driver involvement, they just want faster laps. Sadly this the future of sports cars in the future.

kosmo

all good points. Perhaps the gtr's 50-50 balance helps. The amazing this about the GTR is the gearing. It set up well for short burst and not necessarily long fast tracks like the Ring. Yet the Porsche w/ its 7th gear cant beat it.

Also the 7:18-was that for the GTR Track Pack?


Porsche will catch up, but at a price. Perhaps a $300k (before options ) 991 GT2 RS will be able to beat the GTR. Thats, of course, assuming Nissan doesnt continue to improve the car.
Oh and BTW Chevy and their Vette(s) are coming too. The ZR-1 is speculated to have >700hp. Yikes! Looks like we gots some competition!


Porsche. You can do it!

kosmo

nope. the GTR was faster around the track.

while agree, speed/hp/lap times isnt everything, but considering the price its nice to know that your $200k car is better in every metric.

involvement and feel are paramount. But what are we going to if and when the competition gets that too. You should see all the GT3 guys scolding P for not offering a stick in the 991gt3. Some might even go for a Vette.

95spiderman

i dont get how gtr is 15 sec faster than p turbo at ring. the results should be reversed

JJayB

Angus MacKenzie a writer for MT summed it up recently with on his article on "The Premium Club" (5/13 ) some brands command more in price becasue they have quality, performance or the perception of both. Porsche has it and makes more per vehicle tha anyone else. Audi is knocking on the door of the Premium Club and Nissan is not in the running but keeps Porsche and Audi honest by the performance numbers which raises the question what would Porsche charge for a GT-R?

As a long time porsche owner (7) I've moved on as I don't believe that their offering the best to the customer, as the engineering band aids to fix 500+ hp hanging out over the rear wheels cannot overcome physics in the 911 models.
Audi has some remarkable cars but still has a way to go but how can you not recognize the performance of a GT-R at the price of a loaded Cayman S. If Weissach had a 3.8 Cayman S, I might be back.

96redLT4

Very well said!

kosmo

Angus is right.

Well, the GT2 RS at ~$240k had that same RIng time as the GTR. :|