I'm in the process of modding. No meth for me. Makes no sense.
I'm staying with what I can get with 93 octane pump gas.
I'm about ready for Sam's software upgrade now. That'll be a big step up for mine.
My mods so far -
​​​​​​-COBB Accessport with PDK Flash set to COBB Greenie Stage 1 93 octane and PDK "Sport"​​​​
-Eibach mild lowering springs
-BBi 3" SS race exhaust w mufflers deleted but with race cats so no CEL
-BMC air filter
-IPD Plenum and Y-Pipe
I've considered turbo and intercooler upgrades, but they would more than double the cost of what i'll have in it this way.
And I'm not sure how long I'll keep this one. I'm waiting for a 992.2 Turbo S allocation without ADM...

 

I can confirm the difference between a Cicio tune and one by Sam. My 991.1 came tuned by Cicio and it didnt feel right. It was erratic on boost pressure at low rpm and although had power didnt seem right.

I have 80k miles on my car and decided to do a bunch of maintenance like plugs and coils and called Sam.

Sam sent me the tune and I loaded it. What a difference. It is so smooth and the butt dyno makes it feel like it is putting out a bit more power.

well long story short. Have had both and not only was Sams tune incredible but Cicios terrible.

 

8's on stock ecu has been done I agree, thats my goal for this year too, I have the power to do it, just need to get the 60 foot better, now that I have DSS axles and more importantly an lsd I'm ready to send this thing as prior I ran stock axles as a fuse..
Standalone is still the proper way to do it, if I did a syvecs right now, my car would be a few 10ths faster. Syvecs with an Emre tune is best top option now. I would still prefer a Motec as hardware wise its king, as seen by it being ran on every other platform at the top level. So I'm happy theres progress being made with it.

My car with stock ecu and meth has been super happy under 1000whp. But a standalone is the right way to do it even from a safety perspective. Cicio has made progress with the Motec. The blue 991.2 has made a lot of passes, I dont think he's really pushing it, most of the time it was his gf driving it at events. He's a top player in other platforms regardless of whatever narrative gets pushed here, his GTR's are fast, he just went 7's in a stock v10 car at the last event I was at. Last 1/2 event one of his customer cars went 204 in the 1/2, they were the first shop literally forever ago to break the 200 1/2 barrier in the porsche. Issues posted aside I wont objectively say he sucks.

How do you know it was the tune not the plugs and coils?

 

because I drove it for about 3 weeks before getting tune from Sam. In fact coils and plugs were good. But since i had the car torn apart I just changed everything.

 

I don't disagree that standalone is the best way to go for safety reasons and ultimate control.
I heard some time ago that Syvecs was coming out with some type of piggy back injector controller that could control a set of injectors for those who didn't want to go the full Syvecs standalone route.
You guys hear anything about that?

 

No, I haven't heard about it, but it sounds plausible. The JB4 can do it, so I don't see why a Syvecs unit can't do it. The issue still remains with adjusting the stock ECU to the extra fueling, which I believe is the main reason no one is doing it right now.

 

Yeah they have a meth/injector controller, I think it came out. In reality the next move before syvecs is a manifold and some sort of port injection setup, all the BMW's do it with good results. I think we're going to try that next after all the tx2k stuff is done.

 

Hmmm, that's interesting news.
I may have to do rods after all.

 

I don't expect to make enough power to necessitate building any part of the motor, but who knows. If it came to it, I wonder sometimes if a mild build that included only stronger rods and OEM everything else (let's put aside for the moment that it makes no sense to upgrade just the rods if the motor is apart anyway) with no stroker kits or cam changes etc would keep the costs below $10K?

 

More with labor and you still need certain oem porsche parts during tear down and rebuild. Plus the cost of remove and reinstall. But thats what I currently have in my car, just rods, headgasket and headstuds still 3.8. Stock motors are extremely stout especially if you have full frame turbos and can cap the torque, vtgs have a bigger torque hit down low.

850whp-900whp on a stock motor will last a very long time even abused provided the end user isnt doing anything super dumb like letting the trans kick down, brake boosting it at low load, getting on and off to shoot meth flames nonstop ect. Every dyno is different, the old saying is people lie, dynos lie, trap speeds dont. Any of the stock motor cars doing low 5s 6-130 and up live forever, deeper into the 4's is pushing it, safe yes but still comes with an * asterisk. Also how the power is used plays a huge role. 900whp on a stock motor and doing a high 4 second 60-130 pull here and there will last forever, 9 second quarter mile pulls are more load, 15-17 second 1/2 pulls going into 6th gear are even worse. Full mile pulls at the texas mile, which probably take like 25 seconds and youre at full load in top gear forever, at 900whp would certainty mean rod rigatoni. Its like a bottle of sauce, the harder and the more you squeeze the faster it runs out, or it can last forever.

Unless youre out sending it every weekend, and you care about being fast fast ,its a waste of money to do the motor. Then again some people hate money so they spend UGR stage 3 money 150k into a porsche make huge threads, nice dyno graphs and then sell it because its a donkey and shifts and drives like a 90s slushbox. If you pay for fast, it better be fast.

 

Man, this is such good info and food for thought.

 

As usual, excellent insight and great advice - thanks man!