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Old 09-03-2018, 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by abiazis View Post
I needed to get down to 3 cars, so I traded a Cayenne GTS and GT3 for the TTS, kept the 993 cab and my wife will get a new 19 Cayenne when they arrive in the fall.......I could have used the GT3 as a daily but my original plan was to hold the GT3 for 2-3 years and then buy a CPO 17 or 18 TTS then and not take the depreciation hit. The GT3 prices probably will stay stable for at least until the new one comes out and I observed that 3 year old TTS cars were losing $80K in about 3 years so that is real money no matter what you make.........so ultimately, see a 17 CPO this early made the decision easy as I took advantage of paying no tax on the TTS...............
Not sure why you say $80k depreciation hit for 3 yr old Turbo S when you just bought a 2 yr old for $34k under MSRP and original purchase prices probably average 4-5% off. I just looked up Manheim results for 2016 Turbo S coupes with 10,000 miles and the average wholesale auction result was $150k. The 2016 had an original MSRP $182,700-assume $17k of options and 5% discount, that brings original purchase price to $190k. I think $40,000 depreciation on a 3 yr old car is pretty good. Considering I couldn't get a new GT3 at less than $25,000 over MSRP, I suspect the depreciation of that car for me would have been the same $40,000 over 3 years and 10,000 miles. Maybe next go-round my dealer will offer me one without ADM.

Thank being said, your new car is gorgeous. Use it well.
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Old 09-04-2018, 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Randyc151 View Post
I think Georgemaser (OP) just likes to throw around bombs and then disappear. This is the same guy that complained about Champion Porsche a while back about his deposit. He threw them under the bus and then when silent. This time, he's in a TTS forum asking if the GT3 is better and then disappears. Ridiculous.
ĎThrow around bombsí really? That doesnít even sound right. I am here, reading, taking in all the great comments (well, other then yours). Just trying to learn from people who have them or have had them both. Thank you all for that. And by the way, as far as Champion, I got emails from folks who said the same thing happened to them at Champion. Go figure...
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Old 09-04-2018, 07:24 AM
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I looked at the GT3 RS, but bought a tts instead, just easier to drive fast for my needs, love the all wheel drive, the ONE thing I liked about the GT3 RS better, is how good they hold their value compered to the tts.

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Old 09-04-2018, 09:58 AM
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Thanks for your info. In Atlanta I have seen 2015 TTS cars listed for 129k selling for 120-125k - know of 3 that were in that range with mileage in the mid 20,000.

I wanted the freshened Car with the 580hp and other things and got lucky a 2017 came up locally in my spec.

I figured 205k minus 120k purchase to approximate 80k depreciation in 3 years - 2015 to 2018.

My original plan was that my GT3 would hold value 2-3 years and I could buy a GOOD 2017 TTS for about 130 or 140k in 2020...

This one literally fell in my lap so I pulled trigger on exceptional car earlier than planned...the depreciation hit on this Car from list was already after one year 35-40k.....

I also know of a nice 17 at Jim Ellis Porsche in Atlanta for 176 that would sell for less......14.5K miles....

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Old 09-04-2018, 11:58 AM
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Hereís a great article that sums up what people tend to see in the different versions of the 911: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.roa...track-testing/

Personally, I started with the 991.2 TTS, because there is no better car in the world that drives as fast and as comfortably. The quintessential everyday supercar, that Iíve taken on 4+ hour road trips (each way) without a thought.

However, after my first day on the track I realized I needed something less powerful and technically advanced to learn to drive fast in a track. So, now Iím driving a GT4 on track. While not a GT3, I can certainly say the experience is very different. While itís okay for shorter drives, it really is not that comfortable for a 4+ hour drive to the track, which Iíve done.

However, where the GT4 stands out on the track is its ability to let you push your limits. Even with the nannies on, Iíve gone sideways multiple times. While I would hope my skill brought the car back, Iím sure the nannies helped. When I was driving the TTS on track, it never got close to letting go. Just point and shoot. Note, I never turned the TC off on the TTS, so that may change the equation.

To the previous posterís point, best approach is: TTS + GT3 + 488 Pista + ...
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Old 09-04-2018, 04:27 PM
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The Turbo (s) has evolved, and aged, with its target demographic since 1975; now the buyers are getting on in age, and they don't want the noise and agro associated with a 930, GT3, GT2 etc...

I bought my 996tt from exactly that kind of guy - one owner, has been using the brand (and model) since the early 80s and has never driven anything but a Turbo; and I follow the 991 board because I will have first crack at the 991TS when the owner cannot get in or out of it anymore - he is 75...

I have had the good fortune of being able to drive the 996, 991 and a GT3 back to back - I think the GT3 was born from the idea that although the Turbo clientele were getting older, there was still a cross section of customers that wanted that 'pure' driving feel. I found the 996 most certainly has a more 'connected' feel than the current 991.2, however, is a bit 'soft' when compared to the 996. I find the 991 a bit 'distant', despite being the quickest non modified road car I have ever driven; and I want that for road trips when it comes to chewing through lots of miles, but not for 'spirited' driving. Porsche has really hit the nail on the head on how they market these sub models within their overall 911 offerings.

I think the only thing the 991.2 Turbo S is missing is a manual - because, even though it is blindingly quick, sometime you just want to 'feel it' rather than 'destroy it'... This is where the GT3 shines.
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Old 09-04-2018, 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by abiazis View Post
Thanks for your info. In Atlanta I have seen 2015 TTS cars listed for 129k selling for 120-125k - know of 3 that were in that range with mileage in the mid 20,000.

I wanted the freshened Car with the 580hp and other things and got lucky a 2017 came up locally in my spec.

I figured 205k minus 120k purchase to approximate 80k depreciation in 3 years - 2015 to 2018.

My original plan was that my GT3 would hold value 2-3 years and I could buy a GOOD 2017 TTS for about 130 or 140k in 2020...

This one literally fell in my lap so I pulled trigger on exceptional car earlier than planned...the depreciation hit on this Car from list was already after one year 35-40k.....

I also know of a nice 17 at Jim Ellis Porsche in Atlanta for 176 that would sell for less......14.5K miles....
Only thing is that you are one year behind already. 2019 cars are on the lots, so a 2015 is 4 yrs old, a 2017 is 2 yrs old, as far as model year goes. Actual chronologic age, however, starts at the in service date. The in service date for the 2017 Turbo S at Jim Ellis with 14K miles is 5/5/16 making this car 2 yrs and 4 months old. It is not a high option car, and if it sells for $170k, That's less than $30,000 depreciation in 2 1/2 yrs.

My only point is, these cars hold their values fairly well if they are kept in mint condition with low mileage.

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Old 09-05-2018, 09:09 AM
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Great news based on your analysis. It is nice to know that my 17, that was put in service in June 2017, if I keep the miles low, will hold its value much better than projected. Value was not the main concern with my ownership, as I traded a new GT3 that will hold its MSRP value for at least a few years, but always a consideration.

Knowing that my 17 TTS was essentially the same car as the 18s and 19s helped me with my decision for trading the GT3 for a more versatile use car, but depreciation will continue when the new 2020 car comes out.

I was recently advised that the 17-19 cars were produced in less abundance than the 5th generation 14/15s, which may help with 6th generation values versus the observed 14/15s depreciation curve.

As you state, I totally agree with the long term observation and accurate statement that desired Porsche 911s with lower than average miles always maintain their value.

My 993 with a not so low 64,500 miles, in my estimation, would be worth about $10K more if it had half the mileage.

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Old 09-05-2018, 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by abiazis View Post
My 993 with a not so low 64,500 miles, in my estimation, would be worth about $10K more if it had half the mileage.
Would you rather have the $10k or the 32k-miles of memories?
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Old 09-05-2018, 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by worf928 View Post



Would you rather have the $10k or the 32k-miles of memories?
Obviously, I already chose the fun memories) I drove the car as a daily for 4 years, with snow tires in the wintertime in NJ/Maryland/NC and it performed like a champ.......But if I could have both that would be a bonus)
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Old 09-05-2018, 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by abiazis View Post
Obviously, I already chose the fun memories)
Yeah. Me too. I donít get the Ďbuy-it-watch-it-deprecate-but-donít-drive-it-so-it-doesnít-deprecate-as-fastí folks.

As has been said before: thatís like getting married and not having sex thereby preserving your partner for the next spouse...
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Old 09-05-2018, 02:10 PM
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TMI, but brings to mind some crazy memories in cars............Having that sex in the car at 100mph hits the bucket list....or driving over the Clearwater to Tampa bridge with an obstruction on your lap......can't take these cars with you, keep miles down or build the car for the next guy or girl.........experiences are what count like owning a 1962 Renault Dauphine with a rear engine configuration and a front grill crank starter as an option...........)))))))
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Old 09-05-2018, 04:51 PM
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No GT3 can do this, and let me know if you think it's boring...

https://youtu.be/Zzd9DW-RTSc
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Old 09-05-2018, 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Randyc151 View Post
... and let me know if you think it's boring...
Yup. Totally boring. Just the way a fast lap should be. Nice, smooth steering inputs. Few corrections. Braking looked good. Throttle signal looks like itís not hooked up?

Smooth is fast.

I did notice that the GT3 dropped anchor on the straight...
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Old 09-05-2018, 08:48 PM
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Video says it all, no debate.
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