Unless there is a corporate policy that selling above MSRP is not allowed and will be enforced, these arguments are moot. We are a capitalist society and owners should be free to do what they believe will enhance their profits and business.

What is particularly troublesome about most of the arguments against dealers and buyers paying above MSRP is we are upset with not being able to get allocations on a coveted car. Nothing more. If one can't get an allocation move on. None of us are entitled to anything let alone a silly allocation. No need to attacked the entire structure and the people within it.

 

AH... hello...
PONTIAC makes bad cars? do you not watch knight rider? KITT was a good car!!!


i speak what i know. i am aware of the RS4.0 transaction b/n CJ's shop and martin. it is transparent as CJ claimed.

i also bought several and sold several p cars to CJ, as well as other dealers. they are business, and yes, they resell at a profit. but for the cars i sold them, and seeing how much they sold for, they are not making much. whatever you think their profit is, divide it by 2. sometimes even less. how do i know? b/c i sold them some of my cars. mostly not RS and not over msrp.

i think there's a confusion amongst RLsters.
some are unhappy b/c high premium
some are unhappy b/c the "hidden" nature of the dealers
i PERSONALLY have had the following experience

carlsen porsche ofered me msrp RS in 08. i ordered to spec, went in to pick up car upon arrival. about the sign the doc. saw a $35,000 mkt adjustment. no one told me avbout it. it was a msrp car until that day. THAT'S NOT RIGHT.

carlsen porsche quoted me X for my car in trade. they saw the car the day before. when i took it in the next day they deemded it 5k less.. THAT IS NOT RIGHT

Lithia porsche of monterey: took $4000 in deposit for next RS, they then refunded the deposit (to all their depositors, not just me) unilaterally without any email, or phone call or discussion. this is breach of contract and is NOT RIGHT.

Sneider Nelson Porsche changed ownership and apparently my deposit is no longer giving me a RS AND apparently the new account cannot find my $500 deposit. presumably someone somewhere had a good dinner with my money, that IS NOT RIGHT.

i can go on...

i dont mind ppl making money. no one forces me to spend my money with anyone but i have serious issues with LIES or things are generally NOT RIGHT. just like if my kid had an arguemnt with another kid at school and punched him out. big deal. i wil have a talk with him and help him understand his own issue avbout violence, kids fight. if my kid got into a gang fight (like 10 kids beating on 10 kids) now THAT is not the usual kids fighting, that's serious issue.

the point is you have to look at the general picture.

there is a reason why dealers are stereotyped as STEALERS. no , some are good dealers. but there is a reason why there's a stereotype. just like there are bad doctors. but usually you dont think doctors as a**hole like you do with dealers..... why is that?????

CJ made a transparent system and some will not get a car from him. but at least you know that if he said you are get4ting one or not getting one. yes, i will get a car from CJ, but there were 2 other cars i wanted which i will not be able to get from him. that's fine. he told me all that. while other dealers told me there were NO CARS available. and guess what, they called my freind and sold him the NON EXISTING car for $40k over, the GT car world is pretty small. the serial GT car owners know where the car sold from to whom at what prices. so we know when dealers are lying.

another ex: usctrojan had msrp RS promise from a non CA dealer. he never got the dcar b/c repoertedly that dealer didnt get the RS..... well, without knowing martin was in line. our group got offered that RS at a high premium., all this time that car was promised to trojan... THE DEALER LIED to trojan TNHAT IS NOT RIGHT.

sorry extra type. but i am a little ticked off.

 

hahaha, another reason to be glad for the manual

 

I did buy my UV RS through CJ and it was one of the easiest, most transparent transactions I've ever had. CJ let me know that he was working on acquiring an UV RS since I let him know I wanted one and I jumped at the chance at getting it when he offered it to me. I made calls and let my local dealers know that I wanted an RS and would even be willing to pay a reasonable mark-up....what'd I get? Lies and crickets (see Mooty's post above). There is a reason why I am the stealer basher on here and will make it a mission of mine on here. My side real estate is all based upon taking care of my customers and establishing relationships with them so I know what a win-win relationship should be. For what Auto Gallery did during the RS frenzy, I will continue to bash on those vampires any chance that I can get on here. Those scumbags deserve to be put out of business.

Good dealers to get more business and dealers that lie and BS and don't take care of their good local customers should lose business, simple as that. CJ is a stand-up guy and doing things the right way at all his dealerships. His approach is refreshing and I will do whatever I can to help his dealerships grow because I believe that people who do business the right way deserve to be rewarded with more business (both repeat and referral business). Just how I give commission rebates to my customers (where most all realtors don't), CJ is also doing things differently than most all other dealers and will benefit in the long term.

 

Let's do this. Stop hiding behind your handle and come clean on who you are. CJ isn't, neither is PNH, etc who are on the board. C'mon, represent the store you're with. Hopefully you're the GM or owner and not a pee-on sales rep with an opinion.

 

I wasn't referring to people who do it by choice. I was referring to people who do it by necessity. In my very conservative grew-up-poor opinion, if one has to finance a high dollar sports car, they really shouldn't own a high dollar sports car. Fiscally irresponsible. But again, just my opinion. But the point of my comment wasn't to preach, it was more just to say that I was shocked to hear that more than a small percentage of buyers are financing these things by necessity.

 

Woe!!

 

Thanks for your passion as an enthusiast and as a business owner. Many in the business have NO passion for it other than worried about the bottom line and an investment return. They could care less about forums and enthusiasts.

Many Porsche dealerships and the brand could be better served with some more passion injected into them which would result in increased sales and happier buyers of their cars.

It's a simple formula that many lose sight of when money starts clouding the vision.

 

weasel comment not directed to you,directly
it was in reference to "Wind in the Willow"


This whole situation about allocation reminds me of the cartoon/movie.
Mr. Toad wants a porsche/car really badddd. . The weasels in the film "dealers" knows of the situation. I guess we have a little bit of Mr. Toad in all of us. ex. we have the money and we want something really badd. Hopefully I don't have to resort to stealing aka Mr. Toad, LOL. In this case "Art Imitates Life"

 

Maybe this is why Porsche is engaging Disney in a customer experience pilot in the US.

 

 

Yes. Read that. New slogan: Have a magical car ride

 

Haha...true!

The dealership is "where dreams come true" but currently it isnt the "happiest place on earth" for Cali customers.

 

No big deal to me if you can get the car you want as 2 years is just a hunny moon if you actually wanted the car. After one year you get your title back and worse case you are on that dealers black list. If the car is as good as advertised why would you sell within a year unless you are a flipper.

Page out of the Ferrari book.