MJones

Just wondering what will the "Gas Guzzlerr Tax" be on the 991.2 GT3?

It was $1,000 on the 997.1

1-Bad-911

Good question, I was wondering the same thing.....What was it on the 991.1 GT3? I bet it will be 1000.00.....

Alan Smithee

^ $1,000 on 991.1 GT3; $1,300 on the RS. Those are obviously with PDK...manual transmission will probably be more...

STG

991.1 GT3 = $1,000
991.1 GT3 RS = $1,300

ChicagoM4

Since the engine (and thus fuel economy) is much more related to the 991.1 GT3RS, I would expect the 991.2 GT3 to share the same tax of $1300.

However, per the EPA, "The total amount of the tax is determined later and is based on the total number of gas guzzler vehicles that were sold that year. It is assessed after production has ended for the model year and is paid by the vehicle manufacturer or importer."

The above would make it seem like Porsche needs to estimate the production and apply a tax to cars so Porsche can later pay the tax. It seems like the lower amount of vehicles delivered to the US, the lower amount of tax. This notion holds true if you look at the max gas guzzler tax applied for cars under 22.5mpg. The 991.2 GT3 will most likely have a combined mpg of 17.5 which equates to $2600, but since they only deliver a relatively small number to the US then the tax is lowered (to $1300, probably).

1-Bad-911

Thanks for all the info....It will be interesting to see what it turns out to be........Looks like 1300.00..I guess that's a small price to pay for all that performance and FUN......

white6speed

$1000

Brosef

whatever it is, it's worth it if it means that Porsche can continue to make these special motors in limited quantities for the privileged few that appreciate and can afford them.

timwu12

wouldn't the manual have better MPG and result in less than PDK, if not the same?

STG

+1

bluehorseshoe

In the old days manuals were better but modern advancements on automatics have rendered them most efficient.

Alan Smithee

Look at, say, EPA ratings for a 911 GTS. The 7-speed manual with tall overdrive is still 1 mpg combined less than PDK, which would theoretically send the GT3 into the next GG category. With the 6-speed in the GT3, I think $1,700 is best-case scenario.
...until you realize that, for instance, the outgoing Ford Raptor was EPA rated at 11 mpg city but, because of BS government reg's, did not get a GG tax!

GrantG

My guess is that the RS's extra fuel usage is due less to the extra 200cc displacement and more to the extra-wide body and the picnic table attached to the rear decklid

Since 991.2 GT3 has same aero drag as 991.1 GT3, I would guess tax is same at $1k. And they raised the compression ratio of the motor from 12.9 to 13.3 to 1 which helps with mpg (and power/torque)...

GrantG

Nope, the manual is still slightly more efficient (that's why the top speed for the manual is 2 kph higher than PDK-S - slightly less power loss due to internal friction)...

But the fuel economy numbers for the PDK are a little better than the manual, because it has an auto mode that short-shifts (I guess this is the reason or some other compatibility with the way the tests are administered). Having 7 gears helps too, although top gear is virtually the same in each.

TRAKCAR

I wonder if the manual and pdk will do the same on the EPA loop.