Alternative reality/facts, Porsche style
02-24-2017, 10:30 PM
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Alternative reality/facts, Porsche style
DISCLAIMER: It's my first time starting a speculation thread, and I'm not on speaking terms with my cleaning lady (after she moved my carefully adjusted speakers), so this is for entertainment purposes only.
The release of the new Panamera Turbo S and the marketing/press narrative associated with it is opening up a very interesting direction for Porsche.
For those not in the loop - the new Panamera Turbo S is a 680HP hybrid. It's also not a terrible value - if you add all the options it includes as standard, it's something like $10K on top of Turbo for extra 130HP and better fuel economy. It's very likely that relative margin on this car is lower than on a well-optioned regular Turbo.
So it's strategic role is not exactly a money maker. It has a very different reason to exist. It's Step 1 in "training" Porsche buyers to accept a hybrid at a top performance option (918 seems more of a canary rather than the first step in full-on strategy, but what do I know). The press and marketing narrative makes it pretty clear that that's the case, and probably for ALL model lines.
So if we accept it as truth, how will the 911 line progress?
Could it be that we will see the following in the next gen:
3.8 Turbo (S) -> 3.0 Hybrid (can also take care of AWD this way)
4.0 GT3 (RS) -> 3.8 Turbo (RWD, no hybrid)?
The release of the new Panamera Turbo S and the marketing/press narrative associated with it is opening up a very interesting direction for Porsche.
For those not in the loop - the new Panamera Turbo S is a 680HP hybrid. It's also not a terrible value - if you add all the options it includes as standard, it's something like $10K on top of Turbo for extra 130HP and better fuel economy. It's very likely that relative margin on this car is lower than on a well-optioned regular Turbo.
So it's strategic role is not exactly a money maker. It has a very different reason to exist. It's Step 1 in "training" Porsche buyers to accept a hybrid at a top performance option (918 seems more of a canary rather than the first step in full-on strategy, but what do I know). The press and marketing narrative makes it pretty clear that that's the case, and probably for ALL model lines.
So if we accept it as truth, how will the 911 line progress?
Could it be that we will see the following in the next gen:
3.8 Turbo (S) -> 3.0 Hybrid (can also take care of AWD this way)
4.0 GT3 (RS) -> 3.8 Turbo (RWD, no hybrid)?
02-25-2017, 01:39 AM
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Panamera Turbo S hybrid package its 226kg for 130HP
02-25-2017, 02:40 AM
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Yes, but it's not that far off from the weight difference between Carrera S and Turbo, and you do not need the battery size as big a smaller car (50km for a 5000lb of the car on electric alone is not a small battery), so it can be a lighter option for a 911.
Anyway, not saying it will happen, but it could make sense.
Anyway, not saying it will happen, but it could make sense.
02-25-2017, 03:04 AM
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Yes, but it's not that far off from the weight difference between Carrera S and Turbo, and you do not need the battery size as big a smaller car (50km for a 5000lb of the car on electric alone is not a small battery), so it can be a lighter option for a 911.
Anyway, not saying it will happen, but it could make sense.
Anyway, not saying it will happen, but it could make sense.
anyway from next September '17 afterall "only" 23km are the road test needed to pass EU6b emissions test
and remembering my last .1 GT3 at cold start
i wonder how any GT could pass it if not helped ...
02-25-2017, 07:58 AM
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I like the concept: engine plus hybrid. What's not to like about the 918 and 919. The 997RSR with hybrid was a monster too. What I have not interest in whatsoever is an electric only car. The biggest issue is addressing the extra weight. Does that mean a smaller displacement engine?