Can't drive RS if too cold??
12-24-2016, 02:40 AM
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12-24-2016, 02:55 AM
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Ok- update and background:
Here's what started this whole topic...my tech had mentioned something about it in passing, some time ago. Something to the effect that Porsche won't deliver if it's too cold. It was several months ago when I first spec'd the car and it was in passing. I didn't put any thought into it figuring he was certainly mistaken or I misunderstood.
Then today I get this text while we were chatting:
"Please be prepared for the cold weather scenario; cold temps = no touchie"
At first I simply challenged the whole notion stating I drove my GT3 several miles, this time last year, in cold temps (with caution). Then he sends this article:
http://www.torquenews.com/106/michel...-move-car-cold
Little more back and forth, and then he writes: "can't even roll it'
That's when I straight up asked: "are you telling me Porsche won't sell me the car if it's too cold?" (Once it's mine I'll do as I want)
He then replied: "No. We'll figure something out. Don't worry."
Maybe he was at a holiday party embibing in too much egg nog...???? ; ) LOL
Here's what started this whole topic...my tech had mentioned something about it in passing, some time ago. Something to the effect that Porsche won't deliver if it's too cold. It was several months ago when I first spec'd the car and it was in passing. I didn't put any thought into it figuring he was certainly mistaken or I misunderstood.
Then today I get this text while we were chatting:
"Please be prepared for the cold weather scenario; cold temps = no touchie"
At first I simply challenged the whole notion stating I drove my GT3 several miles, this time last year, in cold temps (with caution). Then he sends this article:
http://www.torquenews.com/106/michel...-move-car-cold
Little more back and forth, and then he writes: "can't even roll it'
That's when I straight up asked: "are you telling me Porsche won't sell me the car if it's too cold?" (Once it's mine I'll do as I want)
He then replied: "No. We'll figure something out. Don't worry."
Maybe he was at a holiday party embibing in too much egg nog...???? ; ) LOL
He's partly right. I looked into this with Michelin. I've taken delivery in MN at 5 degrees. If they are properly inflated and you are essentially only taking delivery you will be fine. It's all about whether or not you are actually driving the car in those temps. My car sits in an unheated garage in Mpls and it gets very cold and it's just fine..
PHIL I own 3 cars with cup tires(GT3, GT4 & Spyder). You can drive the car all the way down to freezing 32F without damage to the tires as along as you don't store them in frozen environment. Below 45F the grip is reduced drastically and especially if it is also wet and you can get your self in trouble if you are not careful, but you won't damage the tires. I have lost one set in 2014 when I left the car parked outside for 3 weeks at temperatures ranging between 10 to 25F. Aside from this bad experience, the tires in very cold weather will not damage if you drive on them above freezing but again be careful as grip is low. Just make sure they car is not parked outside when temperatures dip below freezing. I typically would garage the cars if the temperatures dip below 35F.
Even occasional use of the tires when temperatures slightly below freezing (e.g 25 to 30F) is also ok as long as you don't park the car outside for more than couple of hours max. and just keep the car moving until safely stored inside garage. So tires sitting in below freezing temperatures are actually worse off than being driven in same weather providing temperatures are not lower than 25F. Gained lots of experience with the set I lost and asked too many questions so I don't do the same mistake again.
Finally your tech is off the mark on this as he is just rolling the car onto your trailer. That's 1 to 3 minute task. You won't even damage these tires doing the same at 20 deg below zero. The damage to tires happen at prolonged exposure and not 15 minutes of exposure at moderate low temperatures. You have noting to worry about. Mark
Even occasional use of the tires when temperatures slightly below freezing (e.g 25 to 30F) is also ok as long as you don't park the car outside for more than couple of hours max. and just keep the car moving until safely stored inside garage. So tires sitting in below freezing temperatures are actually worse off than being driven in same weather providing temperatures are not lower than 25F. Gained lots of experience with the set I lost and asked too many questions so I don't do the same mistake again.
Finally your tech is off the mark on this as he is just rolling the car onto your trailer. That's 1 to 3 minute task. You won't even damage these tires doing the same at 20 deg below zero. The damage to tires happen at prolonged exposure and not 15 minutes of exposure at moderate low temperatures. You have noting to worry about. Mark
According to Michelin there is a risk of surface cracking if the tires are below 20F. Should not be moved if they are below 20F. If they are allowed to get that cold, should be warmed up before attempting to move the car. From Michelin support. I've driven them at 40F and just take it easy.
I've seen high performance summer Michelins crack on Corvettes in sub-freezing temps. It is a known issue and not to be taken lightly. Not only are the tires not to be driven on, but also they need to be gradually exposed to temperature fluctuation, even in storage. As in not brought in from the shed where is 10º into the house where it's 72º.
That said, I see you're in the Northeast where the weather is quite balmy currently and will be for the next few days. It won't kill your tires to go pick up the car on Monday or Tuesday for instance.
That said, I see you're in the Northeast where the weather is quite balmy currently and will be for the next few days. It won't kill your tires to go pick up the car on Monday or Tuesday for instance.
12-24-2016, 03:14 AM
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I call BS too...
Did my ED in Europe in December 2013 for the GT3 on MPSC2. Traveled mostly above 7c but had a few icy sideways moments - that said no dramas even at 0C.
Did my ED in Europe in December 2013 for the GT3 on MPSC2. Traveled mostly above 7c but had a few icy sideways moments - that said no dramas even at 0C.
12-24-2016, 07:55 AM
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Phil: Does water crack at 45*? I've driven mine up to recently in 45* weather. Let it sit outside in cold while I had a nice hot coco playing on RL then drove it home. I did have to wait for the little blue "i'm too cold to drive me yet" light to go off.
Did go a bit slower knowing traction not maximized.
No issues.
Did go a bit slower knowing traction not maximized.
No issues.
12-24-2016, 09:48 AM
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I call BS as well. Ask yourself this, does Porsche stop delivering GT3/RS on un-heated transports when it's cold?
Practically speaking, your RS should be in the dealership's heated garage until delivery and as soon as it starts rolling tires start generating internal heat.
To be fair, I wouldn't leave it outside in 10 degree temps and hop in and go but just how often does that happen to someone's RS??
Practically speaking, your RS should be in the dealership's heated garage until delivery and as soon as it starts rolling tires start generating internal heat.
To be fair, I wouldn't leave it outside in 10 degree temps and hop in and go but just how often does that happen to someone's RS??
12-24-2016, 01:50 PM
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I have driven on the R compounds down to about 28F in the dry and 35F in the wet. They worked well as long as I was careful. Figured you guys would enjoy the pic (Stevens Pass WA)...
12-24-2016, 04:10 PM
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