C.J. Ichiban

The GT350R definitely makes better noises.

The value of the 911R will be directly proportional to the amount of "new money" guys and little broker/dealer dudes inflating the prices.

That being said- with only about 300 coming to the states...there are definitely 3000 People who can afford to buy it cash at MSRP. So, if the car really is as good as they say, it will stay above MSRP. Now, the question, how many people can really afford to pay 400k or 500k for it.

I have one coming (it's taking forever, was supposed to be done november 7th) but am not sure that I would pay 4.0RS money for one, simply due to the rarity of the 4.0RS being much higher.

I figure there are about 100-125 guys that are "sheikh" enough to just say YOLO and buy it no matter the price...but if you have not flipped your R yet, and you want to, you might be chasing a falling knife as only so many guys will really pay 300k over for a car.

Apolo1

Same here, had great fun in my 12C coupe, was invited for an early P1, 2nd or 3rd slot in UK. Had a sneak Preview Aug 13, Did the P1 drive at Dunsfold, Nov 13 don't think I have ever driven car that feels so explosive even now.

But like you whilst I am a Mac Fan, I have been buying Porcshces for over 30 years. So went with 918. In Uk we were lucky with our 918s from a price prospective, ie by the time we had to pay in full for our cars, the £ had gained against the Euro, almost 40% in some cases.

Nizer

Plenty. But most are smart enough to know Porsche priced it correctly from the start.

stuntman

But will the value hold when the next GT3 is offered with a manual?

bronson7

Might soften a bit but generally yes, simply b/c it's a #'d car.

richk

I am a huge fan of the 911R. But the simple fact is the pricing is caused by the 918 VIP program and the fact there are so few cars available. It is a limited car but I have never seen a Porsche come out of the gate like this. Like many have stated before there were plenty of 4.0RS available at sticker.

bronson7

Simply b/c it came out in a down market and there was no 918 VIP to deal with. Could you imagine if the 4.0 came out in todays market along with the 918 VIP. It would be a blood bath out there.

Alan Smithee

I was only 19 at the time, but IIRC when the 911 Speedster was introduced in 1989 to a very quickly escalating collector car market, triggered by Enzo's death the year prior, it was immediately trading for around double MSRP.

Jrtaylor9

Really interesting to hear this. I never would have guessed that. I guess most cycles are bound to repeat over and over again but feel like it's "new territory" when the next cycle happens far enough down the road.

mooty

it was HARD for me to get my 4.0 since i live in the independent nation of KALIFORNIA. a very fine Rennlister passed me his open allocation for free at MSRP from Schneider Nelson Porsche delivered it through Fletcher Jones Porsche for me. (Schneider Nelson now owned by penske. and i have very low view of Penske now. they still have my deposit and apparently lost track of it and cannot refund it. it's only $500, but it's a principal thing. if i am Roger Penske, i cut the damn check yesterday and leave no tarnish on my name)

i digress.

many ppl buy many p cars. unlike the uber 1% i dont buy (well, prolly b/c i cannot afford it) 4-5 new p car a year. though i do buy 1-3 GTx cars a year. since 2002 and my father did that since 1978. i was naive as i dont always hold the car under my name so maybe PCNA doesn't know it was i who was paying. i was also naive to be foolishly loyal to one dealership, carlsen. they repeated fk'd thus i fianlly gave up on them. now, be mercenary and i will cross shop everyone.

R is a great car. i didn't get one. i did try. but i didn't succeed. i know 4 ppl who got the car without 918. i am sure they all deserved it and i am happy for them. there is not much to complain about, my RS isn't too bad either. i will wait and at some point maybe, just maybe PCNA will reward me a car of importance it's almost 2017, so why not dream a little haha.

unotaz, many good points you made. i drive most of my cars, especially b4 kid #2. i used to drive kid #1 everywhere in RS, or lotus, or cayman. i illegally put her up front seat. dealer commented on my 7.1RS (do you ever shut the car down?) i didnt know what he meant. he said we have never seen car with this many mile so short time. 6 moths, 17000 miles. i drove to and from track, if it's thee day event , i would drive up, track, back home, tuck in my kid, then drive up again the next morning. now with 2 kids, harder to shove the little one into trunk, i did try. but neighbor reported me to child service. i had a lot to explain that day. some cars i kept like the 4.0 and 991RS others i tracked or drove a lot and sold then replace with a lower mile car. such as 996gt3 of which i owned 14 of them, i just bought another very low mile 996. some cars i bought and found i didn't like it as much, a boxster S which i bough and sold in 12 hours. that's not a flip more like a 10k loss over night. i did buy and sell many 7.1 7.2RS after i added many miles to them.

who knows, maybe one of the well known 911R, like you, suitcase, footsoldier, cj, and our canadian 918 expert (suddenly i forgot his handle, nick is the name) can whisper my name to PCNA and i end up with a more worthy car than RS, hint hint......

suitcase, great history on your cars.

anyways, i need to go find something to do to burn energy. HAPPY NEW YEAR to all. less arguing, more driving!!!!

usctrojanGT3

Porsche priced it right on MSRP if it didn't have that number on it. They would have easily been able to sell 1,500 or so in the US just like they did with the RS.

STALKER99

There is a 991R for sale at $599k CAD at Pfaff Porsche in Toronto if anyone interested.

Contact Jimmy or Lee there. It's white with red stripes I believe.

Just putting it out there since there seems to be some interest and with exchange rate it's more attractive for our American friends.

C.J. Ichiban

Only interested in weird specs but that is a very good offer

ScottKelly911

How about Acid Green with Birch Green stripes?

C.J. Ichiban

I drink tea but not absinthe