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Looks, presence and performance the RS over shadows the R all day long.

If the R is so perfect why do we need a reminder?

Mho.

 

Am I the only one who found humor in the fact that the reviewer nearly nails the street sign doing donuts at around 2:48?

 

Waxer, of course you're going to say that, you have a RS. "The R is so perfect", only in the eyes of the holders.

 

No it has nothing to do with the fact I own an RS. Your assuming I'm unfairly biased because I own an RS. I have eyes and they work great except for needed correction for reading. It's not that I don't like the R. I do. I just don't think it holds a candle to the RS in looks, performance and presence. If prices were equal I would opt for the RS every day and twice on Sunday.

I call things the way I see them. Case in point. While I love LO I would throw my RS under the bus for an RS in Gelbgrun at a slight premuim, maybe $10K to $15K more max. That color just turns my crank. But not for $75K more. Color is subjective. I had opprotunities to buy PTS cars and the ability but no PTS color I liked more than LO for the RS except for Gelbgrun. I like blue, orange, purple, black, white eqaually as much so the premium was not justified for me. There is no other color I like $75,000 more. The RS looks drop dead in all the colors. I'm on the fence as to whether I will sell my RS for the new GT2. Not convinced yet. GT2 will be faster no doubt but not NA. NA means alot for many reasons from sound to it performance characteristics and so does the GT3RS moniker and history. Undecided as of now.

Of course I get the hype with R being unobtainium but to me as I see it its a case of the "king has no clothes" syndrome. But hey, thats just me and my silly little ol' opinion.

If someone offered me an equal trade for my RS for an R, yeah, I'd take it. I'd be an idiot not to in this market. I'd then sell the R and buy another RS. In LO of course (unless I can find a Gelbgrun at a reasonable price) and bank the balance.

 

Waxer I hear you and agree. I also think the fact that the R is unavailable to 99% of us, I still don't relish it. Give me a Gelbrun RS or GT3 and l'II call it a night.

 

Start with a GT3, do some of the easy weight reduction (sound insulation, door handles, etc.) and forget the expensive weight reduction stuff from the R, put the 6MT from the R in the GT3, apply the steering and RWS tuning from the R to the GT3, retune the damping along the lines of R, equip the GT3 with carbon ceramics, and offer radio and AC delete in the GT3. The price of this version of the GT3 shouldn't be much different than the current GT3 (6MT should cost less than PDK, tuning is just tuning, etc.). Also offer stripes for the GT3.

Now how much better is the R than this modified version of GT3 as a fun road car? Certainly not a zillion dollars better, and while the R will have a little more pace due to less weight and more power, the modified GT3 will already be amply fast for the road, and the character of the GT3 and RS engines is very similar. And I personally would prefer to have the wing rather than stickers.

I had the GT3 at the track today. Still mind-blowingly awesome, even after thousands of track miles in the car.

 

Agreed, except it doesn't sound like you've removed the insulation from a chassis before.

 

The imperfections about the 911R include the fact that it is unobtainable, as are it's features such as the close-ratio 6 speed. So in my mind, the 911R is highly imperfect, until Porsche corrects these issues.

 

Spot on. Not that I'm not guilty of the this too but I think unless your competing where every 10th or less means something I think we tend to get to wrapped up in some of these items like nominal weight savings. For street application and even for track days largely meaningless for most in actual performance gains given skill levels. Not all but most. For the most part all this stuff is performance plecebos unless your driving skills are up there like a few. I'm not that good. Not bad, but I'm no Derek Bell.

Most would get more benefit going to a performance school for 3 to 5 days than throwing money at 100lbs weight savings or 25 more hp.

It's called sales marketing. It works. Like I said I take the bait all too often too. Guilty.

 

Amen! It's all a money trap like trying to drop my handicap buying new clubs ......it my game not the clubs

 

Yep, on the road, how many people notice that the car feels substantially different depending on whether on not there's a 150 lb passenger in the car (keeping in mind that the CG of a passenger is fairly high)? I certainly don't. On the road, it's the perception of weight that matters more, which is a function of wheelbase, track width, springs, damping, heaviness of steering, etc. The Cayman R is about 100 lb lighter than the GT4, but I can attest that, back to back, the Cayman R feels a lot more than 100 lbs lighter.

The R in its current form doesn't make sense. They should have made it a variant of the GT3 along the lines I described, priced similar to the GT3, no limited production. It would have been almost as good as the R, fast enough (or too fast) for the road, much more affordable for typical Porsche buyers, and everyone who wanted one would be able to get one, rather than being snubbed due to lack of VIP status.

By comparison, the RS is a car that does make sense - a purpose-built track weapon - and the additional cost can be justified. All that aero works, and it makes a meaningful difference at relatively high cornering speeds on the track. When that aero is combined with weight reduction, the weight reduction also makes a meaningful difference, because the ratio of downforce to horizontal inertial force increases, which means noticeably more grip in cornering and braking. The extra torque and hp, while a modest increase, helps to overcome the aero drag at high speeds, so that also makes sense for the RS. In the end, the RS isn't 'a lot' faster than the GT3, but it's enough faster that, within a few laps, the gap will be noticeable and growing. And of course the driving dynamics of the RS are a bit different too, with better turn-in, etc. If cost were not a factor, I'd certainly be driving the RS over the GT3 on track, though I'm more than happy with the GT3, and feel lucky to have one.

 

I agree 100% with your analysis.

To add, I bought a GT4, 4 months after I bought my GT3RS because I also wanted another GT car that was good on the track, was a stick shift and had a NA Carrera S 3.8 engine. Now, I have the best of both worlds for less than what it would cost to get a 911R. Moreover, if I do get in to any after market mods like wider front tires, headers and TB alterations on the GT4, that would probably make it faster than the 911R and with its mid-engine profile, much more balanced on the track. The tall gearing is so good in the city in thick traffic when you hardly have to shift out of 2nd (reducing the fatigue factor).

The GT3RS is an awesome car, not just on the track but even in the city, and for those of us who care about its noticeability factor, the GT3RS is the hands-down winner, when compared to the 911R.

 

R is the version of RS with manual n single fly wheel, It's pretty simple, RS for track & R for the road experience.

The problem is it's limited and the dealers are greedy, nothing wrong with the R.

 

Speaking about the R, how many owners do you think went with the dual vs single fly wheel?