tcsracing1

I anticipate a 991.2 GT3 in manual.

I do not see a 991.2 GT3RS

There will be a 991.2 GT2RS.

Not sure what the future is for the GT3.
Cup cars will continue to be N/A for a few more years.
RSR will most likely go turbo sooner then later.

Only a matter of time until N/A is competely wiped out.

mooty

rather then tear my hair out, i just go drive what i have today.
then i wait until cars come out
then i buy them and drive them

but most importantly a very experienced collector told me.. it doesnt 'matter what's coming out next.
the real and the only question is CAN YOU ACTUALLY GET ONE.

TRAKCAR

A yes
B no
D all will be Turbo, GT3 and GT2. But all Turbo starting 992?
just like a Macan S and Turbo are both Turbo.
Maybe this is why the R is invented. Sets a slower but better car tone. So you can buy a slower, lighter Turbo delete car for more money. They also have the optional lighter slower manual gearbox.

GT4R
SpyderR
911 GT3R
Macan GTSR manuals, still Turbo
Panamera GTSR manual, still Turbo

Scrappy1972

My guess: No .2RS, only a limited edition RS (500 units) as a farewell to the 991 platform.

mass27

So, are all the NA engine people here who currently have a GT3/RS going to be OK with the 992 (or whatever model it is) being turbo?

Since this is inevitable, what do you think this will do to driving performance of the GT? There will be turbo lag, it will not rev as quickly or high, it will not sound as good as NA.

GrantG

My guess is if the 992 GT3 goes turbocharged, it will have some sort of lag-resistant technology (choose one or more below):

1. Hybrid electric power connected to the transaxle to act as torque fill (like McLaren P1)
2. Some sort of electric turbochargers (pioneered by Audi)
3. A third smaller turbocharger that spools very quickly to kick-start the two main ones.

CAlexio

If you look at the 488 Ferrari, you can see how you can build a very fast revving, and high revving car.. it's just very hard to make it sound as good as NA. Not sure what can be done there.. maybe people will just forget and trade the sound for amazing torque?

mass27

Good points...

TRAKCAR

It will be faster better.

I like straight pipe TT sound. Sounds nothing like an oem vacume.

I wouldnt like a 997GT2RS because lag, not enough RPM, manual but I think I would love a 991 GT2RS because PDKS no lag on track.

Add electric turbo or other anti lag setup like McLaren in the 992 for even more NA mimicking power and it once again will feel previous model clunky. This is Porsche.

Loess

I'm very curious to see what they do with the GT3.2. On the one hand it could have the same 3.8L with a re-certified 490 or 495hp (they need to kept building warranty engines anyway). If they really see the 9000rpm as an issue, they will go with the 4.0 to drop the rpm without admitting a problem.

Just like how the S models have gone from special editions to almost full time production I see them building GT cars full time in one variant or another. I think in Jan 2017 they will be building some GT car (although maybe they need production time for new cup cars).

I was told GT2rs's are going to be limited (918 owners) and very difficult to get without markup.

997rs4.0

Porsche would be stupid not to take advantage of the current market situation. (And we know they're not)
Pretty much same amount of 991RS produced as 991.1gt3. So obviously not to sensitive to price.
Porsche has sold around 7000-8000 gt3/RS/R out of this generation.

I'm still seeing a 500hp 4.0l 991.2gt3 with a few lightweight parts from RS and R. Price around $160-170k MSRP.
Still not as aggressive styling as 991rs. Smaller wing/no front fender openings.

Don't see 991gt2rs being a limited edition in this market. The grand finale N/A "cup edition" will be the last of the 991generation.

GrantG

I think the price should be quite a bit less (starting around $140k at most), representing a 7% increase. Could easily get to $170k by checking a bunch of options though...

997rs4.0

I hope you're right. Let's see how big the price increase will be on the GTS.
MSRP on gt3 will probably depend on how crazy they go with the lightweight stuff. Will be interesting to see if they use the diffuser from the R.

DDWPartners Ryan

The 488 (I have one) as you said is a high revving twin turbo and it's very fast. It also does not feel turbo'd at all. I also think it sounds great.

Macca

^^^ Im with Grant here.

We are already aware of what the 991.2 GT3 will look like visually. Small exterior tweaks on 991.2 GT3 with GT4 style front bumper and more angular rear bumper with the rear ventilation cut out now above the bumper at the base of the rear spoiler - the same as the 991 GT3RS. The rear wing looks to be elevated 1" higher into the slipstream adding 20-30lb of rear down-force at speed. Interior changes will be limited to updated PCM, later style steering wheel and maybe some nylon door pulls and less sound deadening aka the 911R. Its almost certainly going to be base spec in 6 speed manual (LWFC as an option) and PDK-S (possibly updated programming) as a cost option. No doubt there will be tweaks to the RWS program and EPS system. Pit lane limiter and (flakey?) Track App will feature as options.

I personally do not see any use of extended exotic materials on the 991.2 GT3 although CF frnders from 911R are a possibility.

I think we will be looking at a 495 bhp car that in headline trim (6spd MT with LWFC and LWB seats) will have a 1400kg curb weight wet. Around 1440kg with PDK and some options. RPM limiter I believe will be set to 8600 in 6spd & PDK.

Expect the 0-100kmph times and the Ring and Spas laps etc to all be published using PDK-S performance data as the base. Id expect a 2 tenth improvement in 0-100km (i.e. 3.3 to 62 mph) so in line with 991.1 GT3RS but with a top speed of 319 kmph (i.e. 4kmph higher than 991.1 GT3 based on additional torque and power). My guess on the Ring time would be 7.22



Price - I agree with Grant, this will be around 7-10% more than outgoing 991.2 GT3.