Agree^

Similar condition/miles would be a $50k premium for 997.1rs

 

maybe bc 3.6L closer to fake myth(Mezger)?

 

and 7.1RS was less car around

nowadays looks like opposite

 

At equal cost, brand new, limited supply and resale value not a factor, I suspect that I'd take a 991.2 GT3 over a 991.1 RS, assuming the former is all it's cracked up to be - equal or better engine with more power and torque, faster lap time, refined suspension damping, possibly other refinements, etc.

I don't know how many others think the same way, but that may provide some indication of how the new GT3 will affect valuations of the RS, etc. And of course some people will want the new GT3 for the manual, and may trade an RS for it.

 

Again. RS is RS. Still will be significant differences ranging from carbon, magnesium bits, vents, to Turbo body, to wing to "RS" badging. Demand/desire by most will be higher for RS except for those that have to have the absolute "fastest" even if by fractions of a second that in real world mean 0.

Well they did increase production for the 991 RS it was because the demand was crazy. The 991RS was epic in every way including punching way above its weight.

How many here would opt for a 997.2GT3 over a 997.1 GT3RS? I don't know about the rest of you but I'm taking an RS.

 

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^^ uhhh, no.

 

It's 2010 in Porsche cycle but with reverse economic conditions.
RS will only drop if the bottom falls out.
Except for mine because that one will be completely whored out.
I did clock a 2:17 flat at Sebring yesterday so it was worth it when I hit that 2:15 ;-)

 

We need to keep this in mind. When the 991.1 GT3 was announced, it was 9k RPM engine, faster, better, etc. It was a massive improvement over the 997.2. Then reality came and a few things became clear. Yes, it has 9k RPM engine. Yes it is faster. It's better all around vs 997 GT3. And it has some warts, just like previous generations had warts.

The 991.2 GT3 will be no different. It will be better in some ways. Move the ball forward for Porsche. But it is almost certainly going to have some warts, which will be addressed in the next gen.

Bottom line: every generation is better, but none will ever be perfect. Hence the need for the next generation, which always sounds perfect!

 

I had predicted that the new GT3 won't be as fast as the current RS, but if the GT3 is faster and it's not just due to tires, seems that all of those fancy materials, wider body, bigger wing, etc. will be shown to be more style than substance.

I remain open to the possibility that, with equal tires, the RS could still be faster than the new GT3. But a fly in that ointment is the pace of the new GTS ...

IMO, 997 GT cars have been at higher value because (a) the feel of the 997 is special in having a lot of the older 911 character and will never be created again and (b) manual transmission. The new GT3 will of course take away the second reason.

By contrast, the 991 represents the beginning of a new era in terms of the feel of the 911, and I anticipate that the 992 will have a similar feel, but with more performance and refinement. With further optimization of tuning of RWS, steering, etc., the feel of the 992 could be better in every way as compared to the 991.

So I don't really see the argument for the 991.1 cars having a special niche which will help them hold value close to or above MSRP in the longer term (and I say that as owner of a 991.1 GT3 - I'm trying to be realistic, rather than believing what I'd like to believe).

 

I don't think any GT car's value will necessarily plummet in a short period of time relative to the rest of the market. If you want the RS to feel even more special then kudos to you if you can afford the premium. However, as the mkII GT3, gt2, gt4rs or whatever come out in the near future, some of the gt3rs demand will go away and simple economics will lower the selling price. How hard is that to understand.

 

Very, very true.

 

gt4rs: wishful rumor , heard ain't happening

 

What shocks me is how many used GT3s there are out there for sale. Doesn't seem to be affecting asking prices though, still pretty solid, especially the ultra low mile cars.

 

I disagree... I was negotiating a couple of deals on some while watching the prices online. Most of the GT3 for sale went down several 1000's in the same work week. The one I was working on went down $6000.00 in 10 days and it sold at $7000.00 less than it was listed for.
There is a CPO 2016 with 6K miles right now with PCCB's for 149K... to give you an example and that's their asking price.
Prices will continue to fluctuate for a little while until supply and demand balance out.