Theoretically- A waiting list
#106
Nordschleife Master
It's pretty sad that being open and honest is a rare if not impossible thing to find at dealers. I don't understand why it has become this way. I can only surmise that greed and short term gains are the reason.
I'm ALWAYS looking for totally honest and upfront dealers that will earn my business for the next 30-40 years.
I'm looking forward to seeing what CJ can do for the brand and for people like us.
I'm ALWAYS looking for totally honest and upfront dealers that will earn my business for the next 30-40 years.
I'm looking forward to seeing what CJ can do for the brand and for people like us.
#107
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For high demand models, a well run dealership will of course favor locals for the simple reason they're service and parts customers AND are far more likely to be future customers of new models. For the non-GT, regular models, dealerships already put their new and used inventory online and it's first-come, first-served.
#108
Three Wheelin'
I don't think the service and parts customers argument is any more applicable to high demand vehicles than regular models. Further, I think the regular models may tend to be less sophisticated customers who are MORE likely to use local parts/service than to have a race shop or independent they rely on. The future customer part is also no more applicable to local vs. out of town if the price is right and the experience is right. Seamlessly get me into the next GT, I will come back to you for the one after that, the one after that, etc...
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You are correct... a loyal customer is a loyal customer BUT if I had 1 available unit and 2 loyal customers one local and one not, I would always lean towards the customer that is local to sell it to (again assuming a no list scenario). Not only am I more likely to retain the service/warranty work but they also show a higher likelihood of future purchase of non GT cars vs out of town customers. The out of town customer is more likely persuaded back to do business elsewhere out of convenience despite the fact many of us have a go to store we use regardless of where we are located but everything has its limits.
Also dealer would be more likely to get GT car back from local customer and resell
#111
Interesting responses - interesting discussion points.
My take -
I'm happy to put down a deposit - but what stops me from putting deposits down at 10 dealers? or more? 1st on a list makes no sense to me. We could all prospect guesses on the next great car - and dump deposits accordingly.
To me the "List" is a subjective 2 way street. All Relationship driven
1. I support the dealers I buy from and in turn receive allocations.
A. Trade back cars that I paid MSRP for to them when my next build is
processed - let them make a few $$$ -
B. When the economy is down I still buy cars - because I drive them - not flip- flippers will disappear in the next recession - the repeat clients will prop up your dealer just as they did in 08' -12'
C. Service my cars at dealer - always -
D. Help your dealer sell cars - amazing how that works.
E. And so on
So maybe your the dealers "Friend" - maybe a whale - maybe a guy with the best "Cleaning Lady" info - all great - but I want my best clients to be
The ones who will help my business if times are tough - who don't shop me out - who don't hammer me for every last $$$ - who I like selling to - who appreciates my business and people - who use the product I sold them - That's how I'd establish my list.
UMM - Buildable LT?
My take -
I'm happy to put down a deposit - but what stops me from putting deposits down at 10 dealers? or more? 1st on a list makes no sense to me. We could all prospect guesses on the next great car - and dump deposits accordingly.
To me the "List" is a subjective 2 way street. All Relationship driven
1. I support the dealers I buy from and in turn receive allocations.
A. Trade back cars that I paid MSRP for to them when my next build is
processed - let them make a few $$$ -
B. When the economy is down I still buy cars - because I drive them - not flip- flippers will disappear in the next recession - the repeat clients will prop up your dealer just as they did in 08' -12'
C. Service my cars at dealer - always -
D. Help your dealer sell cars - amazing how that works.
E. And so on
So maybe your the dealers "Friend" - maybe a whale - maybe a guy with the best "Cleaning Lady" info - all great - but I want my best clients to be
The ones who will help my business if times are tough - who don't shop me out - who don't hammer me for every last $$$ - who I like selling to - who appreciates my business and people - who use the product I sold them - That's how I'd establish my list.
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#112
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I really appreciate all the suggestions.
I will say that with Mooty on my list I know I will get cars back in stock.
I've already proven to be a good source of GT cars for my top guys- used and new.
We have a chance at my store(s) to develop an awesome culture together: annual parties at track days, events, here on the west coast and internationally for races etc.
With the right group of enthusiast clients we'll grow fast enough to enact some of these principle and practices that everyone has been suggesting
I will say that with Mooty on my list I know I will get cars back in stock.
I've already proven to be a good source of GT cars for my top guys- used and new.
We have a chance at my store(s) to develop an awesome culture together: annual parties at track days, events, here on the west coast and internationally for races etc.
With the right group of enthusiast clients we'll grow fast enough to enact some of these principle and practices that everyone has been suggesting
wow, ppl actually drive their cars now?
where are my medications?
this in encouraging.
ppl with most miles on previous RS given preference
#113
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Interesting responses - interesting discussion points. My take - I'm happy to put down a deposit - but what stops me from putting deposits down at 10 dealers? or more? 1st on a list makes no sense to me. We could all prospect guesses on the next great car - and dump deposits accordingly. To me the "List" is a subjective 2 way street. All Relationship driven 1. I support the dealers I buy from and in turn receive allocations. A. Trade back cars that I paid MSRP for to them when my next build is processed - let them make a few $$$ - B. When the economy is down I still buy cars - because I drive them - not flip- flippers will disappear in the next recession - the repeat clients will prop up your dealer just as they did in 08' -12' C. Service my cars at dealer - always - D. Help your dealer sell cars - amazing how that works. E. And so on So maybe your the dealers "Friend" - maybe a whale - maybe a guy with the best "Cleaning Lady" info - all great - but I want my best clients to be The ones who will help my business if times are tough - who don't shop me out - who don't hammer me for every last $$$ - who I like selling to - who appreciates my business and people - who use the product I sold them - That's how I'd establish my list. UMM - Buildable LT?
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Mooty there is this crazy thing where when cars get older, some of us appreciate them more! Especially when they are capable cars like 997's and 964s but you wouldn't know anything about that. LOL.
#115
Yes - Specced and waiting for a build date. Going to be the 1st person to drive a 570 100K miles
Can't a guy have a few McLaren's?
Seriously just been biding my time on an LT - your team kind-of knows! Buildable would be the selling point.
Can't a guy have a few McLaren's?
Seriously just been biding my time on an LT - your team kind-of knows! Buildable would be the selling point.
#116
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Put every configurable allocation of a highly demanded car up for an auction. The highest bidder gets it.
Simple. Clear. Honest. Transparent.
Regardless of the manner by which they get paid (long-term "loyalty" or cold hard cash), it's prices that clear markets and balance supply with demand.
EDIT: And waiting lists based on refundable deposits -- when everyone can perpetually place themselves on 20 wait lists without any commitment -- are a joke. Don't see how being on one would carry much weight, or at least more weight than offering a higher price.
Simple. Clear. Honest. Transparent.
Regardless of the manner by which they get paid (long-term "loyalty" or cold hard cash), it's prices that clear markets and balance supply with demand.
EDIT: And waiting lists based on refundable deposits -- when everyone can perpetually place themselves on 20 wait lists without any commitment -- are a joke. Don't see how being on one would carry much weight, or at least more weight than offering a higher price.
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Would be a buyer, enthusiasts attract enthusiasts... If honest and willing to give the out of town guy that's been hustling to get cars for his own use (and development of kick *** go fast parts...) a fair shake on some of the GT cars would love to be a customer!
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#118
Three Wheelin'
Put every configurable allocation of a highly demanded car up for an auction. The highest bidder gets it.
Simple. Clear. Honest. Transparent.
Regardless of the manner by which they get paid (long-term "loyalty" or cold hard cash), it's prices that clear markets and balance supply with demand.
EDIT: And waiting lists based on refundable deposits -- when everyone can perpetually place themselves on 20 wait lists without any commitment -- are a joke. Don't see how being on one would carry much weight, or at least more weight than offering a higher price.
Simple. Clear. Honest. Transparent.
Regardless of the manner by which they get paid (long-term "loyalty" or cold hard cash), it's prices that clear markets and balance supply with demand.
EDIT: And waiting lists based on refundable deposits -- when everyone can perpetually place themselves on 20 wait lists without any commitment -- are a joke. Don't see how being on one would carry much weight, or at least more weight than offering a higher price.
Last edited by sccchiii; 08-01-2016 at 09:04 AM.
#119
Drifting
Auction style already happening. My spot on "the list" essentially became the first person to have an opportunity to match outside offers. I know, it's my fault, I should have been more specific in nailing down the numbers initially. However, this shakedown process made me bolt from what i thought was a good dealer relationship. I was fortunate to find an RS build elsewhere through another dealer I had bought a car from in the past, but it was still a rude awakening. Unless the economy tanks, the upcoming GT3.2 is going to be the same damn frustrating way.
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#120
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In the "good dealer" scenario, if he has a "loyal" customer who has overpaid $40k (above the market price) on cars and services over the last 3 years and another "more loyal" one who has overpaid $80k, the "more loyal" one will get the desirable GT allocation at $40k below the market. The mere "loyal" one will get pissed.
An honest auction (and honest market prices for all other, more readily available, cars and services) would avoid all this keeping track about who paid above market for what (MSRP Panamera, MSRP Cayenne, F California, service, tchotchkes, etc.) and by how much and figuring out who is more deserving a desirable (yet scarce) allocation at a below market price.
To me, the latter is much more honest, clear, and transparent. What pisses most people off is when dealers practice the latter while pretending to be practicing the former ("good dealer") scenario -- which is inherently dishonest.
EDIT: And I agree, making the deposits non-refundable would go a long way towards making the wait lists more real. Still, price controls and lines (wait lists) are inherently Soviet (and Venezuelan) means for allocating scarce goods. Even there, the same goods were/are readily available at market prices on the black market, without waiting.