9A1 goes racing-Finally!!
01-10-2016, 09:31 AM
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Worth to quote
"The Porsche factory themselves have never made the formal Mezger reference preferring instead the GT1 engine reference.
Mezger DNA in any engines beyond the 80s/90s GT1/959 & 962 is tenuous at best.*
For those engine beyond Hans Mezger was so embarrassed about the term "Mezger" engine
"
"The Porsche factory themselves have never made the formal Mezger reference preferring instead the GT1 engine reference.
Mezger DNA in any engines beyond the 80s/90s GT1/959 & 962 is tenuous at best.*
For those engine beyond Hans Mezger was so embarrassed about the term "Mezger" engine
"
01-10-2016, 09:36 AM
#33
Wrong.
Mezger is still in the RSR. The RSR is raced in the top flight of GT racing. The Mezger based engine will be raced at Le Mans this year - by far the most important race of the year. But there will not be a factory team.
The announcement has been made that Porsche AG is developing a new 911 RSR for 2017. The engine will be moved forward (waiver needed) in part, so that it can take better advantage of a difuser. More then likely will be a turbo. Will be interesting to see if it will use the 9a1 or a totally new engine.
Mezger is still in the RSR. The RSR is raced in the top flight of GT racing. The Mezger based engine will be raced at Le Mans this year - by far the most important race of the year. But there will not be a factory team.
The announcement has been made that Porsche AG is developing a new 911 RSR for 2017. The engine will be moved forward (waiver needed) in part, so that it can take better advantage of a difuser. More then likely will be a turbo. Will be interesting to see if it will use the 9a1 or a totally new engine.
01-10-2016, 09:46 AM
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Mezger is in the GT1 didn t know wss still racing
maybe for retired old driver challenge series
oh yes actually only them might confuse an M97 with the GT1 engine
maybe for retired old driver challenge series
oh yes actually only them might confuse an M97 with the GT1 engine
01-10-2016, 09:50 AM
#35
A couple of years ago one of the Porsche bigwigs ( I think it was Müller) commented that the previous sequence of putting a motor that had raced in a production car was purposely being reversed. This time around a special production engine was being released in the GT3 with the intent that it was destined for racing.
In the end, and especially if the 9A1 proves itself in competition, it really doesn't matter that much where the engine debuted; the GT3's connection to racing will be maintained.
In the end, and especially if the 9A1 proves itself in competition, it really doesn't matter that much where the engine debuted; the GT3's connection to racing will be maintained.
When the decision was made to race the 991 with the Mezger engine, Hartmut Kristen, chief of Porsche Motorsport at the time, pointed out that "until the racing authorities settle on the future direction of GT regulations, Porsche did not feel justified "spending millions of Euros on a short term investment,' and so had decided to stick with the well proven engine from the previous RSR." Other manufacturers have made the same statement regarding upcoming changes in GT regulations. He was referring to ACO Le Mans / WEC racing - which is the domain of the top level factory teams. New regs are now in place and that is why we are seeing the new Ford and Ferrari with turbos.
The GT1/Mezger engine was developed for Le Mans GT racing - which it won overall in 1998. The GT1 engine was placed in the GT road cars to satisfy homolagtion rules, where as the rest of the 911 were equipped with a high production engine.
The 9a1 is a production based engine that Porsche has developed into a race engine for the the GT3R. FIA GT3 racing is very competitive these days - hope the 911 will be competitive with 9a1 - since the old GT3R (with the Mezger) was not in the last several years - as evident by virtually no teams running with the 911.
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01-10-2016, 10:29 AM
#36
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I have read several of your comments in different threads, and I have to say you are very ignorant.
That is all, move along.
That is all, move along.
01-10-2016, 10:40 AM
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because apparently Mezger himself is still laughing but he might need more to keep laughing
oh yes don t forget everything to push the
997 price bubble further
FYI a 9a1 or an M97 are Porsche products as any other no more no less Poser
Discussion eventually if 9A1 engineering wise
is better or not
Any opinion?
Last edited by fxz; 01-10-2016 at 10:57 AM.
01-10-2016, 10:42 AM
#38
Wrong.
Mezger is still in the RSR. The RSR is raced in the top flight of GT racing. The Mezger based engine will be raced at Le Mans this year - by far the most important race of the year. But there will not be a factory team.
The announcement has been made that Porsche AG is developing a new 911 RSR for 2017. The engine will be moved forward (waiver needed) in part, so that it can take better advantage of a difuser. More then likely will be a turbo. Will be interesting to see if it will use the 9a1 or a totally new engine.
Mezger is still in the RSR. The RSR is raced in the top flight of GT racing. The Mezger based engine will be raced at Le Mans this year - by far the most important race of the year. But there will not be a factory team.
The announcement has been made that Porsche AG is developing a new 911 RSR for 2017. The engine will be moved forward (waiver needed) in part, so that it can take better advantage of a difuser. More then likely will be a turbo. Will be interesting to see if it will use the 9a1 or a totally new engine.
01-10-2016, 11:47 AM
#39
Explain M97 relation with Mezger to poor people Mr. Genius
because apparently Mezger himself is still laughing but he might need more to keep laughing
oh yes don t forget everything to push the
997 price bubble further
FYI a 9a1 or an M97 are Porsche products as any other no more no less Poser
Discussion eventually if 9A1 engineering wise
is better or not
Any opinion?
because apparently Mezger himself is still laughing but he might need more to keep laughing
oh yes don t forget everything to push the
997 price bubble further
FYI a 9a1 or an M97 are Porsche products as any other no more no less Poser
Discussion eventually if 9A1 engineering wise
is better or not
Any opinion?
01-10-2016, 12:09 PM
#41
That's one way to look at it but I'd like to offer a different perspective.
I work in the medical device sector. In many ways, surgery is like driving. It takes a surgeon, a device/technique and an interface between the two.
Surgeons differ as much as drivers do from one another, which means the interface cannot be entirely predicted. Consequently, we always rollout new technology in a limited fashion at first. This isn't done to test whether the device works but rather to gain a better understanding of the interface aspect with a broader reference group than can be accomplished during development.
You can start in racing or, in our field, with global opinion leaders if you want to. However, that represents essentially the same group that helped us develop the product in the first place so we gain fewer insights. Instead, we typically go to a group of advanced and innovative users or who aren't part of what's known as our KOL (key opinion leaders) group. They are frequently less research oriented but more versatile users, i.e. they aren't quite as specialized.
And their input is invaluable. And, invariably, their use leads to preference tweaks. In other words, we make small changes to the solution that do not alter the fundamentals but rather help enhance various aspects of the product or technique.
And then we take the solution everywhere...
I work in the medical device sector. In many ways, surgery is like driving. It takes a surgeon, a device/technique and an interface between the two.
Surgeons differ as much as drivers do from one another, which means the interface cannot be entirely predicted. Consequently, we always rollout new technology in a limited fashion at first. This isn't done to test whether the device works but rather to gain a better understanding of the interface aspect with a broader reference group than can be accomplished during development.
You can start in racing or, in our field, with global opinion leaders if you want to. However, that represents essentially the same group that helped us develop the product in the first place so we gain fewer insights. Instead, we typically go to a group of advanced and innovative users or who aren't part of what's known as our KOL (key opinion leaders) group. They are frequently less research oriented but more versatile users, i.e. they aren't quite as specialized.
And their input is invaluable. And, invariably, their use leads to preference tweaks. In other words, we make small changes to the solution that do not alter the fundamentals but rather help enhance various aspects of the product or technique.
And then we take the solution everywhere...
01-10-2016, 12:20 PM
#42
Drifting
fxz
given the avatar location info;
perhaps the belief is
The Road to heaven is paved with Bad Intentions
So the fellow's just trying to get to heaven I guess, GL
given the avatar location info;
perhaps the belief is
The Road to heaven is paved with Bad Intentions
So the fellow's just trying to get to heaven I guess, GL
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01-10-2016, 01:27 PM
#43
The GT1/Mezger engine was developed for Le Mans GT racing - which it won overall in 1998. The GT1 engine was placed in the GT road cars to satisfy homolagtion rules, where as the rest of the 911 were equipped with a high production engine. The 9a1 is a production based engine that Porsche has developed into a race engine for the the GT3R. FIA GT3 racing is very competitive these days - hope the 911 will be competitive with 9a1 - since the old GT3R (with the Mezger) was not in the last several years - as evident by virtually no teams running with the 911.
The GT1 aka Mezger engine was developed for Le Mans from the M96 which was in previous Porsches and a production engine. Just as the GT3 R engine is developed from a series production engine the 9A1. The GT1 engine came from somewhere, and didn't combust from thin air.
01-10-2016, 01:45 PM
#44
Drifting
Mike, believe you got this backwards.
When the decision was made to race the 991 with the Mezger engine, Hartmut Kristen, chief of Porsche Motorsport at the time, pointed out that "until the racing authorities settle on the future direction of GT regulations, Porsche did not feel justified "spending millions of Euros on a short term investment,' and so had decided to stick with the well proven engine from the previous RSR." Other manufacturers have made the same statement regarding upcoming changes in GT regulations. He was referring to ACO Le Mans / WEC racing - which is the domain of the top level factory teams. New regs are now in place and that is why we are seeing the new Ford and Ferrari with turbos.
The GT1/Mezger engine was developed for Le Mans GT racing - which it won overall in 1998. The GT1 engine was placed in the GT road cars to satisfy homolagtion rules, where as the rest of the 911 were equipped with a high production engine.
The 9a1 is a production based engine that Porsche has developed into a race engine for the the GT3R. FIA GT3 racing is very competitive these days - hope the 911 will be competitive with 9a1 - since the old GT3R (with the Mezger) was not in the last several years - as evident by virtually no teams running with the 911.
When the decision was made to race the 991 with the Mezger engine, Hartmut Kristen, chief of Porsche Motorsport at the time, pointed out that "until the racing authorities settle on the future direction of GT regulations, Porsche did not feel justified "spending millions of Euros on a short term investment,' and so had decided to stick with the well proven engine from the previous RSR." Other manufacturers have made the same statement regarding upcoming changes in GT regulations. He was referring to ACO Le Mans / WEC racing - which is the domain of the top level factory teams. New regs are now in place and that is why we are seeing the new Ford and Ferrari with turbos.
The GT1/Mezger engine was developed for Le Mans GT racing - which it won overall in 1998. The GT1 engine was placed in the GT road cars to satisfy homolagtion rules, where as the rest of the 911 were equipped with a high production engine.
The 9a1 is a production based engine that Porsche has developed into a race engine for the the GT3R. FIA GT3 racing is very competitive these days - hope the 911 will be competitive with 9a1 - since the old GT3R (with the Mezger) was not in the last several years - as evident by virtually no teams running with the 911.