consolidated

Agree, I hope we don't keep telling those who pay over MSRP they're "stupid". Right now about 20% paid over and this is on Rennlist, I bet in the wild the number is significantly higher. I also assume almost everyone is happy to click MSRP or under MSRP (who are you?), but those paying over less likely to respond.

lumber

07 rs sold for $75k over. Fact

lumber

and 4.0 can sell for 500k, but that's ok...

mrsullivan

So here is an example of real bidding/$ for those that didn't see. Not sure what original MSRP is, but this is trending $50k+ and climbing. There is still 7 days left in the auction and reserve is not met. Gorgeous car. Good test of market. Will be interesting to see if it makes it to $300k

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-911-...m=281875678463

Mech33

Hard to test the market with a reserve auction. Those are a joke.

mrsullivan

For my education, why do say that? Top end a joke yes. But bottom end, those are real bids. Your point is that they won't really pay? Or they know the reserve is so high that they aren't serious?

Here is a sold auction at $363 for a lava RS
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-911-...m=111839986978

And another lava $329. Both of these $100k over
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-911-...m=272008338153

997rs4.0

I couldn't even get a new 4.0 from dealer. Wasn't high enough on the VIP list. Had to look for a used one with spec I liked. Took about a year before it came up for sale. By then the market was below MSRP. Now it is what is it.
The market for 991RS seems to be around $75-100k over.
Who knows what it is in 12 months.

Four Liter

These kind of frenzies are nothing new ; I remember the introduction of the 930 in '76 and I think the mark-up percentages were similar to what we're seeing today . It happens with most new highly anticipated luxury cars - even the ''New Beetle '' had some large mark-ups in some markets initially . Remember the Boxster intro ? I know a woman who paid 20K over for a new MB SL that she just had to have when they came out .Complete waste of money , but it didn't matter because she ran a hedge fund . I don't doubt there are a number of 300K plus sales of the RS , but to construe that is where they will stay is foolish . As the cars get delivered and all the guys who got one to make a buck come to the realization that maybe a couple dozen people will pay these numbers it will all settle out . I think that time will be sooner than later as I suspect many of the first cars delivered went to people who had no intention of keeping them - and I think there are still many more to come that will end up on the market when they arrive .

997rs4.0

That actually makes sense to me. The 996rs wasn't offered in the US so the demand and eager to get one was probably high. Combine that with a strong economy and that probably explains the markup.

Serge944

997RS4.0 - I tend to agree with you that this is the first time I'm seeing such markups with new Porsche products.

Some dealers are asking for $400k for a new RS - this is a markup of 100%.

C.J. Ichiban

Why is that? I should ask out of the "second tier trinity" (Viper ACR/16RS/675LT) how many have you driven? Perhaps that will be my attempt at a youtube video that keeps everyone debating...

consolidated

Putting a weaponized Viper in with the usual Euro supercars would be fresh.

lumber

I bought a 14 viper (for 35k off) on a Friday and sold it on a Monday.
For the street, there couldn't be a worse car. The clutch feel, gearing doesn't work at all.
On track, when you never need first gear, sure.
On the street, it was not enjoyable. And I wanted to love it...

carcommander

Owned a Viper a couple of years ago, to rude and crude for me.

meaker

The msrp from options listed is right under 205k