OT: BMW M4 GTS
#18
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Very appealing, seems like a real track car and much faster than a regular M4, but I agree with others that the price is too high relative to the GT3, GT-S, etc. Kind of a shame, because for ~$15K or $20K less, I might be thinking about how to get my hands on one.
#19
At that price point, and given the explicit limited production numbers, this is clearly a garage queen.
And is it me, or does that rear wing look awfully wimpy? Maybe I've been hanging around GT3s too long ...
And is it me, or does that rear wing look awfully wimpy? Maybe I've been hanging around GT3s too long ...
#20
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From: Somewhere in a galaxy far, far away....
Cannot deny how nice it is to drive a BMW. Silky Smooth.
However, have these low production (over priced) special edition M series car really ever caught on?
The wing is kinda meh.
And the 500HP turbo powerplant cannot be any better on the track then my seven year old 997TT 500HP.....
However, have these low production (over priced) special edition M series car really ever caught on?
The wing is kinda meh.
And the 500HP turbo powerplant cannot be any better on the track then my seven year old 997TT 500HP.....
#22
Cannot deny how nice it is to drive a BMW. Silky Smooth.
However, have these low production (over priced) special edition M series car really ever caught on?
The wing is kinda meh.
And the 500HP turbo powerplant cannot be any better on the track then my seven year old 997TT 500HP.....
However, have these low production (over priced) special edition M series car really ever caught on?
The wing is kinda meh.
And the 500HP turbo powerplant cannot be any better on the track then my seven year old 997TT 500HP.....
That been said, this car's performance is meh and its a poor value given that performance. 991 GT3 is less money and will run proverbial circles around this car.
Agree also these limited numbers mean filthy rich Bimmer fan boys will snap them up as garage queens nonetheless.
#23
I'm quite impressed BMW designed a production model water injected engine with no methanol as it seems. Yes the water injection will probably become standard on some future models but it's an interesting engineering step in the turbo charged world.
As mentioned before due to the limited production models the resale value will remain significantly more stable than conventional BMW's.
As mentioned before due to the limited production models the resale value will remain significantly more stable than conventional BMW's.
#24
I don't know man. Just test drove a M4 for a DD purpose. So that I won't have to drive GT4 as much as I did with GT3 that I just sold. I had 9000 miles in GT3 in 8 months! Anyway, I find the M4 extremely disconnected. I thought I was driving a Lexus. No joke here! In fact, that was no engine or muffler noise until 4K. I was driving a convertible too and still no sound of engine/exhaust. The turbo lag is also very obvious which I think have to do with manuals.... I don't know...I have been scratching my head about getting a DD before GT4 arrives in late Nov. Plus the interior of the M4 was exactly the same as my old 335is which btw sounded amazing and have almost no lags.
Having said all that, I rather drive a GTR...again.
Having said all that, I rather drive a GTR...again.
#26
I'm a BMW fan. Have owned a bunch going all the way back to '72 02 that I rebuilt and modded. Must say though I'm having a harder and harder time finding new BMW product that I like.
Traded an E60 5-speed for a F80 M3 last fall. The M3 felt disconnected - too much hammer and not enough scapel. Flipped out of it after 3 months of ownership. That said it was great daily driver and pretty good performance bargain.
This GTS at twice the price and with poorly executed visual mods holds almost zero appeal.
Traded an E60 5-speed for a F80 M3 last fall. The M3 felt disconnected - too much hammer and not enough scapel. Flipped out of it after 3 months of ownership. That said it was great daily driver and pretty good performance bargain.
This GTS at twice the price and with poorly executed visual mods holds almost zero appeal.
#27
I'm a BMW fan. Have owned a bunch going all the way back to '72 02 that I rebuilt and modded. Must say though I'm having a harder and harder time finding new BMW product that I like.
Traded an E60 5-speed for a F80 M3 last fall. The M3 felt disconnected - too much hammer and not enough scapel. Flipped out of it after 3 months of ownership. That said it was great daily driver and pretty good performance bargain.
This GTS at twice the price and with poorly executed visual mods holds almost zero appeal.
Traded an E60 5-speed for a F80 M3 last fall. The M3 felt disconnected - too much hammer and not enough scapel. Flipped out of it after 3 months of ownership. That said it was great daily driver and pretty good performance bargain.
This GTS at twice the price and with poorly executed visual mods holds almost zero appeal.
#28
i've had a BMW in the garage for the last 15 or so years. They've always been my or my wife's daily drivers, not my "sports car". I traded an e60 for an f10 which was a big mistake. the f10 felt like a mushy boat. Sold it in a year and got cayenne.
However, wife has a m235i, which is really good. Nits are a little too hoony (its a little rocketship), the lag is manageable but still there, not as sweet as an older 330, car is sprung a little tight for a daily, and the steering is a bit numb, but the rack is very agile and turn in is good, has a good, sporty feel, brakes are really good, interior nice, and the only one that bugs my wife, it has a stupid small gas tank (12 gal?). I think it's my favorite car in their lineup. She's had it a year now without a single issue. Maybe feels a lot like an older M3 outside the turbo lag and the electric steering.
One of the shops here has a 228i manual, 0 option car, that they've done a mild strip on, dampers, suspension work, tune. That car is FAST on the track. Runs with caymans easily. I think if I am building a dedicated track car off a new BMW platform, that is the car.
However, wife has a m235i, which is really good. Nits are a little too hoony (its a little rocketship), the lag is manageable but still there, not as sweet as an older 330, car is sprung a little tight for a daily, and the steering is a bit numb, but the rack is very agile and turn in is good, has a good, sporty feel, brakes are really good, interior nice, and the only one that bugs my wife, it has a stupid small gas tank (12 gal?). I think it's my favorite car in their lineup. She's had it a year now without a single issue. Maybe feels a lot like an older M3 outside the turbo lag and the electric steering.
One of the shops here has a 228i manual, 0 option car, that they've done a mild strip on, dampers, suspension work, tune. That car is FAST on the track. Runs with caymans easily. I think if I am building a dedicated track car off a new BMW platform, that is the car.
#29
Cannot deny how nice it is to drive a BMW. Silky Smooth.
However, have these low production (over priced) special edition M series car really ever caught on?
The wing is kinda meh.
And the 500HP turbo powerplant cannot be any better on the track then my seven year old 997TT 500HP.....
However, have these low production (over priced) special edition M series car really ever caught on?
The wing is kinda meh.
And the 500HP turbo powerplant cannot be any better on the track then my seven year old 997TT 500HP.....