Reference Guide to PTS
#3886
Thanks! To answer the original question I have about 40% of the NA cars- I have no idea of the amount of world wide PTS production but a safe bet is much less than NA % which will probably be around 15% when production ends. Countries like U.K. won’t even enter PTS orders, so my best guess is 3-5% of WW production outside NA- it’s not seemingly as popular.
#3887
Thanks! To answer the original question I have about 40% of the NA cars- I have no idea of the amount of world wide PTS production but a safe bet is much less than NA % which will probably be around 15% when production ends. Countries like U.K. wont even enter PTS orders, so my best guess is 3-5% of WW production outside NA- its not seemingly as popular.
#3888
SJW, a Carin' kinda guy
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Its a different game because dealers cant sell over MSRP. You think ADMs are bad here, look at what a delivery miles GT3 Touring is going for in the UK (BTW no PTS in England). And Europe got a shortened build window for PTS, so there are less for that reason, not necessarily because people did not want PTS. Brokers/investors are all over Europe and the UK just like here. Look at the cars that were new that went to high end preowned non-franchise dealers.
#3889
^ Well, as a counterpoint I met with the 991.2 Porsche club (see my European delivery blog) the day before my delivery. In Germany you don't need to get on a list, cars are available to order just like any other car. There is no speculation or flipping, cars depreciate like normal. And yes PTS is available, but it still seems to be really difficult to process a request- even for German dealers!
#3892
^ Well, as a counterpoint I met with the 991.2 Porsche club (see my European delivery blog) the day before my delivery. In Germany you don't need to get on a list, cars are available to order just like any other car. There is no speculation or flipping, cars depreciate like normal. And yes PTS is available, but it still seems to be really difficult to process a request- even for German dealers!
PTS was a completely different story: PTS could only be ordered for the GT3 between November 2017 and January 18th 2018 and most of the confirmed (!) contracts were cancelled by Porsche AG after that period. Thats the reason why (used) PTS GT3s (especially Tourings) are now sold with ADM by German Porsche dealers. No speculation or flipping in Germany - Im not sure...
#3893
#3894
My experience was different. It was pretty difficult to get a 991.2 GT3 allocation even in Germany. They were definitely not available to order just like any other car. However, if you were seriously looking for one, you had a fair chance of getting an allocation (at MSRP).
PTS was a completely different story: PTS could only be ordered for the GT3 between November 2017 and January 18th 2018 and most of the confirmed (!) contracts were cancelled by Porsche AG after that period. Thats the reason why (used) PTS GT3s (especially Tourings) are now sold with ADM by German Porsche dealers. No speculation or flipping in Germany - Im not sure...
#3895
#3896
I stand corrected, my conversation was with people where English is a second language (that's my excuse LOL!), but this was the impression they gave me. Perhaps it is just that the idea of getting on a list waiting months for an allocation is different than in the USA- from your description, you had to work to find one to buy, but they could be found- unlike the USA where what's available is marked up at ridiculous ADM. I do recall stories of disappointment with PTS, not knowing the secret handshake, limited availability etc. Thanks for the clarification.
#3897
I will exchange my incoming light ivory GT3T with buckets, PCCBs, houndstooth, the works for Swiss citizenship. Deal? If there is something even more challenging than getting a PTS GT3T in Europe, it is getting Swiss citizenship.
#3898
Mike