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Old 04-17-2015, 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Mech33
I've ordered an extra PSE control valve (item #1 in the below part list) to begin experimenting. With an extra valve, it should be easy to rig up an OEM-override to the exhaust valves by simply plumbing a bypass around the OEM valve through the extra valve.



I also purchased a basic GPS development board to rig up the location-based switching. With any luck I'll get this up and running in a few weeks. I think it'll be a fun project, so I'm going to try to make it happen. Stay tuned...

For those of us who still enjoy LS, this is a project with potential. Could be adaptable to any PSE system, 997 and later????

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Old 04-18-2015, 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted by stronbl
For those of us who still enjoy LS, this is a project with potential. Could be adaptable to any PSE system, 997 and later????

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Should be applicable to any vacuum-actuated PSE system that has a vacuum reservoir (such as 997 and 991).
Old 04-18-2015, 01:17 AM
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Originally Posted by mikymu
don't run the engine with exhaust valve closed all the time - it may create strain on engine at high RPM and also over heat the side mufflers. ...
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Old 04-18-2015, 06:20 PM
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UPDATE: I took the engine cover off and located the OEM PSE solenoid and associated vacuum lines used for actuation. The valve is hard to access, but luckily the actual vacuum lines are routed in a way that will conveniently let me tap into them without any permanent modifications or impact to the OEM operation.

The PSE solenoid has 3 vacuum connections on it:

1) connects to the exhaust actuators in front of the side mufflers

2) connects to a vacuum reservoir (where vacuum is always available as this reservoir is topped off any time you are off throttle). This looks easy to tap into this line because a "T" exists near the solenoid with an unused connection that is plugged with a fitting.

3) connects to "ambient pressure" via a tap into the intake system after the air filter but before the throttle body (clean air). This looks easy to tap into because it simply connects to the side of the intake boot.

To make the exhaust QUIET, the system CLOSES the valves by switching the PSE solenoid to connect *vacuum* to the exhaust actuators. To make the exhaust LOUD, the system OPENS the valves by switching the PSE solenoid to connect *ambient pressure* to the exhaust actuators.

So to override the system, I'll just need another PSE solenoid identical to the stock one, and insert it in the *ambient pressure* line to let me select to route either *ambient pressure* or *vacuum* to connection #3 on the original PSE solenoid.

When the new PSE solenoid is switched to *vacuum*, then the two connections on the original PSE solenoid will both be *vacuum*, so no matter what the original stock valve state is, the valves will always be closed.

When the new PSE solenoid is switched to *ambient pressure*, then the original PSE solenoid inputs will be unchanged, and the OEM system will functional normally.

So with the vacuum line routing and actuation solved, the last piece to work out is the GPS-based geofence trigger. More on that later...





Old 04-18-2015, 06:30 PM
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Impressive research Mech. Can't wait to see how it works when implemented.
Old 04-19-2015, 01:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Mech33
UPDATE: I took the engine cover off and located the OEM PSE solenoid and associated vacuum lines used for actuation. The valve is hard to access, but luckily the actual vacuum lines are routed in a way that will conveniently let me tap into them without any permanent modifications or impact to the OEM operation.

The PSE solenoid has 3 vacuum connections on it:

1) connects to the exhaust actuators in front of the side mufflers

2) connects to a vacuum reservoir (where vacuum is always available as this reservoir is topped off any time you are off throttle). This looks easy to tap into this line because a "T" exists near the solenoid with an unused connection that is plugged with a fitting.

3) connects to "ambient pressure" via a tap into the intake system after the air filter but before the throttle body (clean air). This looks easy to tap into because it simply connects to the side of the intake boot.

To make the exhaust QUIET, the system CLOSES the valves by switching the PSE solenoid to connect *vacuum* to the exhaust actuators. To make the exhaust LOUD, the system OPENS the valves by switching the PSE solenoid to connect *ambient pressure* to the exhaust actuators.

So to override the system, I'll just need another PSE solenoid identical to the stock one, and insert it in the *ambient pressure* line to let me select to route either *ambient pressure* or *vacuum* to connection #3 on the original PSE solenoid.

When the new PSE solenoid is switched to *vacuum*, then the two connections on the original PSE solenoid will both be *vacuum*, so no matter what the original stock valve state is, the valves will always be closed.

When the new PSE solenoid is switched to *ambient pressure*, then the original PSE solenoid inputs will be unchanged, and the OEM system will functional normally.

So with the vacuum line routing and actuation solved, the last piece to work out is the GPS-based geofence trigger. More on that later...
Great info and thanks for the pics! Any reason to think that we can't do the same thing that mikymu did and disconnect the harness and power the solenoid with our own switch?
Old 04-19-2015, 01:22 AM
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I've tried to search but no results....anyone know if the 991 GT3 exhaust is titanium or stainless?

Thanks
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Originally Posted by orthojoe
Great info and thanks for the pics! Any reason to think that we can't do the same thing that mikymu did and disconnect the harness and power the solenoid with our own switch?
My concern with taking over the OEM solenoid is throwing any codes due to the ECU thinking the solenoid is bad when it gets electrically disconnected from the GPS-based override. And if you instead leave both connected, you could damage the ECU when driving both in parallel. Also, on the 991 GT3, accessing the solenoid itself is a royal PITA!

The easy (but more costly) solution is to just add a separate solenoid for this purpose and manipulate the vacuum signals instead.

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Old 04-19-2015, 01:57 AM
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UPDATE: I received the GPS development board and got it up and running today. It's now calculating relative distance from a (latitude,longitude) coordinate and triggering a relay based on a specified radius from that point. It was pretty easy with the base example code for the GPS module.

I tested it out tonight by programming a geofence around my house and verified that it trips the on-board relay as soon as I drive far enough away.

So now I just need the extra OEM solenoid to arrive so I can rig everything up and give it a try. But it looks like it should work!

Here's a pic of the board stack (just a simple Arduino Uno dev board, plus a Relay Shield module, plus an Adafruit Ultimate GPS shield module). I set the red LEDs to indicate when I am within the geofence. I remember when this used to require far more skill to get up and running than it does now... :P


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Originally Posted by Mech33
UPDATE: I received the GPS development board and got it up and running today. It's now calculating relative distance from a (latitude,longitude) coordinate and triggering a relay based on a specified radius from that point. It was pretty easy with the base example code for the GPS module.

I tested it out tonight by programming a geofence around my house and verified that it trips the on-board relay as soon as I drive far enough away.

So now I just need the extra OEM solenoid to arrive so I can rig everything up and give it a try. But it looks like it should work!

Here's a pic of the board stack (just a simple Arduino Uno dev board, plus a Relay Shield module, plus an Adafruit Ultimate GPS shield module). I set the red LEDs to indicate when I am within the geofence. I remember when this used to require far more skill to get up and running than it does now... :P

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Awesome! What is the total cost on hardware so far?
Old 04-19-2015, 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by orthojoe
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Awesome! What is the total cost on hardware so far?
OEM PSE solenoid: $65
Processor board: $25
Relay board: $20
GPS board: $50
Car cigarette lighter power plug with fuse: $10
External GPS antenna (optional, will play with both configs): $20

I still need:

Miscellaneous vacuum tubing: $20 (estimate)
Plastic enclosure for the electronics: $10 (estimate)

Total: $220

Geofencing the Laguna sound booth so you can buzz around in full loud 9k glory throughout the rest of the track: PRICELESS

If custom designed and fabricated in a reasonable production run, the electronics would be WAY smaller and WAY cheaper. I'm using off-the-shelf board to make it easy and fast, not cheap.

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Old 04-19-2015, 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Mech33
OEM PSE solenoid: $65
Processor board: $25
Relay board: $20
GPS board: $55
Car cigarette lighter power plug with fuse: $10
External GPS antenna (optional, will play with both configs): $20

I still need:

Miscellaneous vacuum tubing: $20 (estimate)
Plastic enclosure for the electronics: $10 (estimate)

Total: $225

Geofencing the Laguna sound booth so you can buzz around in full loud 9k glory throughout the rest of the track: PRICELESS

If custom designed and fabricated in a reasonable production run, the electronics would be WAY smaller and WAY cheaper. I'm using off-the-shelf board to make it easy and fast, not cheap.
That is totally reasonable. WIN! Thanks for pioneering this! A DIY for all of us when it's done would be awesome.
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Originally Posted by Mech33
OEM PSE solenoid: $65
Processor board: $25
Relay board: $20
GPS board: $50
Car cigarette lighter power plug with fuse: $10
External GPS antenna (optional, will play with both configs): $20

I still need:

Miscellaneous vacuum tubing: $20 (estimate)
Plastic enclosure for the electronics: $10 (estimate)

Total: $220

Geofencing the Laguna sound booth so you can buzz around in full loud 9k glory throughout the rest of the track: PRICELESS

If custom designed and fabricated in a reasonable production run, the electronics would be WAY smaller and WAY cheaper. I'm using off-the-shelf board to make it easy and fast, not cheap.
Now that is brilliant engineering.
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That's awesome. Hope it all works.
Old 04-19-2015, 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by orthojoe
That is totally reasonable. WIN! Thanks for pioneering this! A DIY for all of us when it's done would be awesome.
A DIY with plenty of pictures will definitely come as soon as I prove it all works on my car.


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