OT: Cayenne Turbo S
01-14-2015, 03:42 PM
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01-14-2015, 04:01 PM
#18
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doubtful. maybe a Macan Turbo S would?
01-14-2015, 04:02 PM
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All I want to know for a car in its class is if it comes with massage seats,DVDs in the back for the kids,adaptive everything,privacy shades,auto pilot,latte machine,fridge,wine cooler,noise cancelation and hot towel machine.
01-14-2015, 04:11 PM
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Agree. Well put. But this class of cars giving true sports cars a run for their money! That is just not on. Porsche shud then stop dribbling in the power jumps on their sports cars and give them something that wud humiliate the 650s in a straight line and overall. Also kill the 458t (TBA).
01-14-2015, 04:11 PM
#21
Mine was 99K. Supposedly the GTS is the best handling. Anyway it has plenty of motor. I wouldn't and didn't pay the upcharge for a turbo.
It's not my GT3 or TT but It still fun to drive and is useful for more purposes.
It's not my GT3 or TT but It still fun to drive and is useful for more purposes.
01-14-2015, 04:20 PM
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I could easily get a RS allocation here but won't even consider it I think.
01-14-2015, 06:11 PM
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The bold words are key. My significant experience driving the porsche "big boys" was on track at the last porsche roadshow. I got to try out the panamera turbo S, cayenne turbo and S and macan turbo and S. All this back to back with the sports cars. I thought the big boys were dogs on the track compared to the various 911s and cayman gts. Of course I did not hold this against the big boys as it was inherently an unfair comparison.
Of the big boys I could envision the panny turbo s doing a sub 8 ring time (only barely). I thought the macans were crap on the track and the cayenne an excellent off road car with no place on a track.
That's why either this ring time is baloney or some thing else is going on. If this is true, then perhaps i shud sell the gt3 and get one of these. I am sure my family will be more understanding than if I hang on to my two impractical two seater non-family sport cars.
Of the big boys I could envision the panny turbo s doing a sub 8 ring time (only barely). I thought the macans were crap on the track and the cayenne an excellent off road car with no place on a track.
That's why either this ring time is baloney or some thing else is going on. If this is true, then perhaps i shud sell the gt3 and get one of these. I am sure my family will be more understanding than if I hang on to my two impractical two seater non-family sport cars.
For what it's worth, there is a twisty road in the hills where I live, and I can drive it in Cayenne Turbo (with all the good stuff) faster than in GT3. It's mostly because the road is pretty bad and GT3 loses traction and gets airborne too much, but it's a real-life example where on-pavement performance of Cayenne Turbo is better than that of 991 GT3. Put's things in a different perspective, I guess.
01-14-2015, 07:57 PM
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Porsche stopped building the fastest street sports cars it can a long time ago.
The 550 Spyder was perhaps about as fast a car as they could practically make for the street given what they had back in 55, or the 904 ten years later. By the time of the '73 RS lightweight, comfort and usability were already bigger factors, and the original '76 or '78 turbos were clearly de-tuned to make them as fast as drivers could handle.
Since this time you've seen measured performance increases, with driveability, emissions, mileage, comfort, etc getting ever increasing emphasis over speed. The fastest cars, things like 800 hp turbos with stripped interiors, are left to the aftermarket to build, in part because if Porsche really cut lose the cars would be too fast for Porsche's customers to handle. The CGT was clearly beyond what most customers can exploit, and it would be relatively inexpensive to exceed that performance today- drop the GT3 RS's engine into the Cayman and you're essentially there for sub 100k.
Porsche has little interest in handing the bulk of their customers cars that fast, so instead they focus their engineering effort elsewhere and downsize those engines artificially, slowing the cars and improving mileage, etc. The SUVs, however, don't suffer from the same issue. They are still big, heavy cars, so they can still take more of the power and tech Porsche can throw at them and not be "too fast". Hence with the sports cars slowed and the SUVs less so the gap between them is shrinking.
Assuming people are driving cars can't continue to get faster forever. Just as world rally cars and F1 cars have not gotten significantly faster over the last couple decades due to rules limits, street cars will eventually hit a wall. Not because engineers can't make the cars faster, but because drivers can't handle or use it. When that happens one can argue that SUVs and sports cars will eventually become identically fast... We'll see. Far before then, however, all of them will be far to fast to comfortably use all of on a public road. One can argue we've reach that point already.
The 550 Spyder was perhaps about as fast a car as they could practically make for the street given what they had back in 55, or the 904 ten years later. By the time of the '73 RS lightweight, comfort and usability were already bigger factors, and the original '76 or '78 turbos were clearly de-tuned to make them as fast as drivers could handle.
Since this time you've seen measured performance increases, with driveability, emissions, mileage, comfort, etc getting ever increasing emphasis over speed. The fastest cars, things like 800 hp turbos with stripped interiors, are left to the aftermarket to build, in part because if Porsche really cut lose the cars would be too fast for Porsche's customers to handle. The CGT was clearly beyond what most customers can exploit, and it would be relatively inexpensive to exceed that performance today- drop the GT3 RS's engine into the Cayman and you're essentially there for sub 100k.
Porsche has little interest in handing the bulk of their customers cars that fast, so instead they focus their engineering effort elsewhere and downsize those engines artificially, slowing the cars and improving mileage, etc. The SUVs, however, don't suffer from the same issue. They are still big, heavy cars, so they can still take more of the power and tech Porsche can throw at them and not be "too fast". Hence with the sports cars slowed and the SUVs less so the gap between them is shrinking.
Assuming people are driving cars can't continue to get faster forever. Just as world rally cars and F1 cars have not gotten significantly faster over the last couple decades due to rules limits, street cars will eventually hit a wall. Not because engineers can't make the cars faster, but because drivers can't handle or use it. When that happens one can argue that SUVs and sports cars will eventually become identically fast... We'll see. Far before then, however, all of them will be far to fast to comfortably use all of on a public road. One can argue we've reach that point already.
01-14-2015, 08:01 PM
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01-14-2015, 08:21 PM
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I would argue that it makes no sense to reduce speed limits. Cars are getting far more capable than before, yet speed limits are getting stricter and stricter.
That 25MPH thing in NYC is just an act to raise more revenue. The traffic cases that the government cited had nothing to do with speeding. It's about people jumping out of the road, JWalking and getting hit. It doesn't matter what speed we are going at, if people jump onto the road, they will be hit.
That 25MPH thing in NYC is just an act to raise more revenue. The traffic cases that the government cited had nothing to do with speeding. It's about people jumping out of the road, JWalking and getting hit. It doesn't matter what speed we are going at, if people jump onto the road, they will be hit.
01-14-2015, 09:06 PM
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I have a 2012 Turbo with 21" wheels, air suspension and PDCC, etc.
It's an incredibly capable vehicle. I've even been tempted to track mine.
I can believe the number. Those that think it far fetched probably haven't driven one.
It's an incredibly capable vehicle. I've even been tempted to track mine.
I can believe the number. Those that think it far fetched probably haven't driven one.
01-14-2015, 09:30 PM
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I understand that it's not cheap to maintain roads and etc, if the government need more $$, just ask us nicely. If it's going to be used properly towards fixing roads, bridges and etc, I am sure many will be more than happy to support them. But stop coming up with bogus ways to steal from us!