ranger22

Except that the GT3 will trump the lesser cars (Z28) and greater cars ( your perception 458 speciale) in track durability. I could spend my money many ways and I choose not to spend it on a pizza wagon. It wouldn't matter if the pizza wagon was cheaper than the GT3. Sure, it may be slightly more exciting or faster, but it won't last.

kosmo

Good question

mrsullivan

for my $150k I have already voted.

I was just saying, frankly a z28 owner is going to be flattered by this comparison. And when the gt3 was compared to the 458 speciale this board was lit up with the same.

And I contend that many here would take the 458 speciale keys over gt3 if it wasn't their money. That's another topic though.

kosmo

The problem w the z28 is that its starts life as a Camaro- a heavy 5yo chassis. While its really no match for the Gt3, i really find it interesting that chevy would even build a car like this. Those multimatic dssv dampers are da bomb!
Im just glad and excited to see chevy and ford competing for our dollars. Keep it coming.

Fowwiee

Out of the three cars mentioned, the only car you can possibly daily drive is the GT3.

Zucc

If anyone wants to trade their low mileage 458 Speciale even for my GT3, I'm ready!

Money2536

If you're going to be in the business of producing car videos, buy a freaking microphone! The only thing worse to happen to audio than an iPhone is the GoPro.

mdrums

On junk run flat tires too!

ipse dixit

Bingo.

This is really what sets the GT3 apart.

mrsullivan

If daily driver is the measuring stick, yes.

For some of us, a gt3s awesomeness or specialness is not measured that way. Not that there's anything wrong with it (Seinfeld reference). But if your target is fun weekend or track experience/drama, I'm not sure that being a good daily driver is a fair yardstick for a Ferrari.

ipse dixit

Agreed.

My point was the GT3's adaptability as a daily driver sets it apart.

Not that it is necessarily better (or worse).

For some people being realistically able to daily drive the GT3 does make it superior (like me), for others it's an irrelevant consideration.

wanna911

I don't think so, the new Z ran on MPSC 2 as far as i know. The Z07 package comes standard with them.

ipse dixit

Another perspective from a previous comparison of the Z/28 and our GT3 from Autoweek, including the follow up forum discussion.

https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3/806653-autoweek-andy-pilgrim-991-gt3-vs-z-28-at-barber-motorsport-park.html

Porsche-Suchtig

Yep. The Cup is more visceral. No question about that.

I think there's two kinds of "visceral" too. There's visceral with precision, like a Cup. And there's visceral due in part to crudeness. I don't mean that as an insult. Crudeness can be loads of fun, and it's generally cheaper (except when it involves vintage racing, then it's generally stupid expensive).

One of the most fun cars I've raced is a 1966 GT350. That thing was crude as hell. Visceral with a capital V. 400 HP at the wheels (vintage race engines aren't exactly period correct), bias ply tires (vintage race tires aren't period correct either - more like highly flexible PS Cups), solid rear axle and otherwise very vintage (period correct) handling (i.e., slop). Side pipes w/ no mufflers (made my ears bleed) and brakes that could barely stop a go kart. Man was that crude, visceral and fun. Too bad it would break every other race (which is a period correct feature) or I would have kept it. The last time it broke the driveshaft in half down the front straight at Big Willow. That was it. Visceral or not, it's no fun DNF'ing half the time.

Porsche-Suchtig

Yes, but we'd sell the 458, buy another GT3, and pocket the difference.