Jaguar F type going back to Manual. Porsche is next.
11-24-2014, 03:38 AM
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jaguar puristi? u mean they exist after xj6 and e-type?
i would like to meet one alive.
i like to start petition to revive manual crank starter. using key or keyless entry is not manly. i like to work up a head of sweat so i can pour old spices all over my self and feel good.
6 speed stick, maybe.
7 speed? 50% of us will money shift within a month.
i would like to meet one alive.
i like to start petition to revive manual crank starter. using key or keyless entry is not manly. i like to work up a head of sweat so i can pour old spices all over my self and feel good.
6 speed stick, maybe.
7 speed? 50% of us will money shift within a month.
11-24-2014, 07:25 AM
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jaguar puristi? u mean they exist after xj6 and e-type? i would like to meet one alive. i like to start petition to revive manual crank starter. using key or keyless entry is not manly. i like to work up a head of sweat so i can pour old spices all over my self and feel good. 6 speed stick, maybe. 7 speed? 50% of us will money shift within a month.
There's a few more arguments that you're missing besides manual crank : manual windows,carburetors,manual chokes etc. I've heard them all! LOL!
I believe you prefer 5 lugs,why not centerlocks-new technology,race proven-5 lugs are antiquated. All Porsche variations should come with CLs,5 lugs should be eliminated from history!
11-24-2014, 09:28 AM
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i like to start petition to revive manual crank starter. using key or keyless entry is not manly. i like to work up a head of sweat so i can pour old spices all over my self and feel good.
11-24-2014, 09:41 AM
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I wonder what the uptake will be, 10%?
Theres no way I would take this over a manual Boxster/Cayman GTS w/ Sports suspension
Theres no way I would take this over a manual Boxster/Cayman GTS w/ Sports suspension
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11-24-2014, 03:29 PM
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I suspect 99% of the folks posting about the F-Type have never actually driven one. I have and I'm sorry to say that it makes the Cayman/Boxster seem positively pedestrian by comparison. That's not to say it's faster on the track but I could care less about which one is faster on track. It wins on looks and sounds alone plus it goes pretty well too.
I'd expect manual take-up rate to be in the 25% range.
As for sales, it's fair to say Jag is struggling with most of their line-up but you can't level that criticism against the F-Type. Some recent stats:
"The F-Type, on the other hand, especially now that it's available in both coupe and convertible form, is a popular car by SLK, Z4, TT, Boxster, and Cayman standards, if not the ever-popular 911. Jaguar has sold 2238 F-Types this year. Year-over-year volume during the last three months, the only three months for which we have year-over-year numbers, has risen 48%. The F-Type was Jaguar's best-selling car in May, when it generated 33% of the brand's volume. It was Jaguar's best-selling car in the U.S. in June, when it generated 34% of the brand's volume. The F-Type was also Jaguar's best-selling car in the U.S. in July, with 42% of the brand's volume.
In July, the F-Type's 501 sales placed it ahead of the Audi TT (101), BMW Z4 (120), and Mercedes-Benz SLK (416). The Boxster and Cayman combined to sell 559 units. Porsche also sold 849 911s.
At 501 units, the F-Type's best month since it arrived in May of last year, the F-Type easily outsold the Mazda MX-5 and trailed the Nissan 370Z (636 July sales) with surprising closeness. The F-Type isn't a high-volume car, but among cars of this type, it's far from being a low-volume car."
http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2014/08...e-success.html
I'd expect manual take-up rate to be in the 25% range.
As for sales, it's fair to say Jag is struggling with most of their line-up but you can't level that criticism against the F-Type. Some recent stats:
"The F-Type, on the other hand, especially now that it's available in both coupe and convertible form, is a popular car by SLK, Z4, TT, Boxster, and Cayman standards, if not the ever-popular 911. Jaguar has sold 2238 F-Types this year. Year-over-year volume during the last three months, the only three months for which we have year-over-year numbers, has risen 48%. The F-Type was Jaguar's best-selling car in May, when it generated 33% of the brand's volume. It was Jaguar's best-selling car in the U.S. in June, when it generated 34% of the brand's volume. The F-Type was also Jaguar's best-selling car in the U.S. in July, with 42% of the brand's volume.
In July, the F-Type's 501 sales placed it ahead of the Audi TT (101), BMW Z4 (120), and Mercedes-Benz SLK (416). The Boxster and Cayman combined to sell 559 units. Porsche also sold 849 911s.
At 501 units, the F-Type's best month since it arrived in May of last year, the F-Type easily outsold the Mazda MX-5 and trailed the Nissan 370Z (636 July sales) with surprising closeness. The F-Type isn't a high-volume car, but among cars of this type, it's far from being a low-volume car."
http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2014/08...e-success.html
11-24-2014, 03:49 PM
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I noticed the F Type R took 2nd in EVO's car of the year test, ahead of the Cayman GTS. I also note they are planning a GT3 version.
Porsche has kept performance per dollar (hp/weight per $) essentially constant over the last decade. Meanwhile others have not- AMG has been adding power to weight at ~2% per year for the same money over the same period, the equivalent of a Cayman GTS with 400 hp instead of 340. Given their lack of response I think Porsche is starting to look more vulnerable to attack from the higher performance angle, and a number of makes are seeing if they can move in. Mercedes with the AMG GT and Jaguar with the F type- both are seeing if they can make a play for 911 customers. And both are planning GT3 versions, likely to make a play for GT3 customers. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.
Porsche has kept performance per dollar (hp/weight per $) essentially constant over the last decade. Meanwhile others have not- AMG has been adding power to weight at ~2% per year for the same money over the same period, the equivalent of a Cayman GTS with 400 hp instead of 340. Given their lack of response I think Porsche is starting to look more vulnerable to attack from the higher performance angle, and a number of makes are seeing if they can move in. Mercedes with the AMG GT and Jaguar with the F type- both are seeing if they can make a play for 911 customers. And both are planning GT3 versions, likely to make a play for GT3 customers. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.
11-24-2014, 03:56 PM
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Exactly! Very good point Pete!
I got 100$ here that Porsche will be forced to offer a Manual transmission on their high performance orientated versions soon enough! Any takers?
I got 100$ here that Porsche will be forced to offer a Manual transmission on their high performance orientated versions soon enough! Any takers?
11-24-2014, 10:43 PM
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The only sad part about this is the manual is only offered on the V6 models, not the V8 (F-Type R) because the V8 is now (2016+) only offered in AWD, and the manual doesn't comes in their AWD variants.
The F-Type R (with its 550hp V8) sounds absolutely astonishing. I have a soft spot for Euro muscle cars...
The F-Type R (with its 550hp V8) sounds absolutely astonishing. I have a soft spot for Euro muscle cars...
11-24-2014, 10:48 PM
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11-25-2014, 01:43 AM
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i drove the F type on and off track.
formidable car in many respects. but it's a "different kind" of car.
hard to explain. it's a good car that i am not excited about much like Z06, ZR1, scud, speciale. if that makes any sense.
it's it sure is not PURE jaguar. it has too few idiosyncrasies.
formidable car in many respects. but it's a "different kind" of car.
hard to explain. it's a good car that i am not excited about much like Z06, ZR1, scud, speciale. if that makes any sense.
it's it sure is not PURE jaguar. it has too few idiosyncrasies.
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11-25-2014, 02:48 AM
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I suspect 99% of the folks posting about the F-Type have never actually driven one. I have and I'm sorry to say that it makes the Cayman/Boxster seem positively pedestrian by comparison. That's not to say it's faster on the track but I could care less about which one is faster on track. It wins on looks and sounds alone plus it goes pretty well too.
I'd expect manual take-up rate to be in the 25% range.
As for sales, it's fair to say Jag is struggling with most of their line-up but you can't level that criticism against the F-Type. Some recent stats:
"The F-Type, on the other hand, especially now that it's available in both coupe and convertible form, is a popular car by SLK, Z4, TT, Boxster, and Cayman standards, if not the ever-popular 911. Jaguar has sold 2238 F-Types this year. Year-over-year volume during the last three months, the only three months for which we have year-over-year numbers, has risen 48%. The F-Type was Jaguar's best-selling car in May, when it generated 33% of the brand's volume. It was Jaguar's best-selling car in the U.S. in June, when it generated 34% of the brand's volume. The F-Type was also Jaguar's best-selling car in the U.S. in July, with 42% of the brand's volume.
In July, the F-Type's 501 sales placed it ahead of the Audi TT (101), BMW Z4 (120), and Mercedes-Benz SLK (416). The Boxster and Cayman combined to sell 559 units. Porsche also sold 849 911s.
At 501 units, the F-Type's best month since it arrived in May of last year, the F-Type easily outsold the Mazda MX-5 and trailed the Nissan 370Z (636 July sales) with surprising closeness. The F-Type isn't a high-volume car, but among cars of this type, it's far from being a low-volume car."
http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2014/08...e-success.html
I'd expect manual take-up rate to be in the 25% range.
As for sales, it's fair to say Jag is struggling with most of their line-up but you can't level that criticism against the F-Type. Some recent stats:
"The F-Type, on the other hand, especially now that it's available in both coupe and convertible form, is a popular car by SLK, Z4, TT, Boxster, and Cayman standards, if not the ever-popular 911. Jaguar has sold 2238 F-Types this year. Year-over-year volume during the last three months, the only three months for which we have year-over-year numbers, has risen 48%. The F-Type was Jaguar's best-selling car in May, when it generated 33% of the brand's volume. It was Jaguar's best-selling car in the U.S. in June, when it generated 34% of the brand's volume. The F-Type was also Jaguar's best-selling car in the U.S. in July, with 42% of the brand's volume.
In July, the F-Type's 501 sales placed it ahead of the Audi TT (101), BMW Z4 (120), and Mercedes-Benz SLK (416). The Boxster and Cayman combined to sell 559 units. Porsche also sold 849 911s.
At 501 units, the F-Type's best month since it arrived in May of last year, the F-Type easily outsold the Mazda MX-5 and trailed the Nissan 370Z (636 July sales) with surprising closeness. The F-Type isn't a high-volume car, but among cars of this type, it's far from being a low-volume car."
http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2014/08...e-success.html
