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Old 07-21-2014, 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by silverrules
ooops , I didn't read the entire thread and thought we were talking about GT3 LED headlights which were blacked out. I had the Panamera GTS as a loaner for a week and had a hard time giving it back.
You had me for a minute! I read your post and got all excited about blacked out LEDs for the GT3. I want the LEDs but I love the blacked out look of the Xenons. Does anyone know if the dealer can order blacked out Xenons for the GT3. Guessing not but worth asking.
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Originally Posted by JCBH
Definitely different - the Panamera has the camera, the GT3 does not...more misleading information/specs...disappointing.
Any pics - to my untrained eye there is something that looks like it could be a camera on my GT3, but I've nothing to compare it against.

I guess it could also simply be a sensor for the auto wipers..
Old 07-22-2014, 01:04 PM
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I asked my dealer about PDLS+ for LEDs here in Canada (while we were test driving a Macan, and incidentally got in line for a hybrid Macan whenever it gets here--carbon offset for the GT3!). He thought in Canada we do have PDLS+ and there appears to be a forward-facing camera near the rearview mirror on other 911s with LEDs. Can anyone up in the great white north confirm they have this feature on their delivered GT3 too?
Old 07-22-2014, 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Nizer
LEDs and PCCBs fall into same category: bling. You don't need em but you want em.
Exactly!

LED has only advantage as being lighter and longer lasting (when was the last time you changed your Xenon), yet it does NOT have any light output advantage to Xenon, and depending on implementation could be worse... I did read on this a while back but I can't remember the article URL. From the ones I've seen around, the LED has a more directional light output with lower lumens, which is to me a disadvantage.
Old 07-22-2014, 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by sidicks
Any pics - to my untrained eye there is something that looks like it could be a camera on my GT3, but I've nothing to compare it against.

I guess it could also simply be a sensor for the auto wipers..
Definitely no camera on the GT3...Panamera has it, as do other 991's I have seen (Turbo S, 50th, etc...)...so odd that Porsche did this again...

Here are some pics of the lights (same) and the sensors/cameras (different)....
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Old 10-15-2014, 04:04 PM
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Any folks now seen the US-market LED and Bi-Xenon lights side by side and can comment on the real-world light output difference at night? I had heard that the US limited the lumen output of the high beams such that the output was actually identical.
Old 10-15-2014, 04:45 PM
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No black out option for LED's was a no starter for me in addition to being hobbled for the US market. I really don't drive a car like this at night very often.
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Originally Posted by rockitman
No black out option for LED's was a no starter for me in addition to being hobbled for the US market. I really don't drive a car like this at night very often.
The regular xenons are a bright silver, while the LED surrounds (and the PLDS xenons) are a medium gray, and there is course the black PLDS / xenon option.

I'm definitely not a fan of the bright silver regular xenons, but the gray vs. black is an interesting question... don't want it to look too much like "panda" as they say...
Old 10-15-2014, 05:00 PM
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^^I have the LEDs but I do not think it makes a whole lot of difference over the Bi-Xenons at night. I think the DRLs are pretty awesome and the double tubes look busier and more complete but other than that a pretty pricey upgrade- But - it does set it apart and does make it look more modern
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No noticeable difference comparing my old car with the xenons to the new car with LEDs.
Old 10-15-2014, 05:47 PM
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well, shiiiittttt...I've never had PDLS, so i'll just pretend it's better.
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Originally Posted by Mech33
The regular xenons are a bright silver, while the LED surrounds (and the PLDS xenons) are a medium gray, and there is course the black PLDS / xenon option. I'm definitely not a fan of the bright silver regular xenons, but the gray vs. black is an interesting question... don't want it to look too much like "panda" as they say...
If you see a "panda" (white with black lights) in person you won't hesitate. Looks very cool.
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Originally Posted by CAlexio
If you see a "panda" (white with black lights) in person you won't hesitate. Looks very cool.
Love my Panda!

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Originally Posted by doubleurx
Love my Panda!

It looks like the headlights are the same color as the platinum wheels. Is that the case or does it just look that way in the picture?

**Edit: BTW thumbs up on the panda. Looks awesome!
Old 10-15-2014, 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Lodi
It looks like the headlights are the same color as the platinum wheels. Is that the case or does it just look that way in the picture? **Edit: BTW thumbs up on the panda. Looks awesome!
Thanks. That is just the way the light hits the black liner.


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