aamersa

Being naturally aspirated is an integral part of the Gt3 and neither M 3/4 are n/a. Lack of forced induction is what distinguishes Gt3 from other high end porsches and its track focus too. So a porsche vs bmw comparison is valid, but perhaps better suited to the turbo section. But again if Tom were driving the 991 turbo he would blow away both Ms with ease.

Manifold

Many would say that manual trans, no RWS, and no torque vectoring are also integral parts of the GT3, but apparently things change ...

mtuttle

That's exactly the reason we got rid of her A4. Warranty was up and was using a lot of oil. We had it to the dealer for many times. no fix only added oil!!

silverrules

Oh, one other thing. Turbos went out at 48K miles (under warranty) in the middle of desert at Palm spring . It was a 118 deg day. Wont be buying Turbo Audi's again. I got her extended warranty to 85K miles. She is college but she keeps asking for new car. What she really wants is Maccan or BMW. I am holding tight for now

GermanCarSpecialists

Just did an engine rebuild on a 2010 A4 with only 35k on the clock. New piston rings, rod bearings. Excessive oil consumption. Audi would not pick up the slack although they acknowledged the problem.

Larry Cable

touche!

ColdList

Agreed 100%. Had an F10 M5 and felt the same way. Still have an F12 M6 cab. GREAT touring car but for the track no thanks! They are heavy pigs compared to the 991. (and remember, I still own one so I say this affectionately). Pre-traded my 991 C2S and 991 TT for my TTS order so I am having to drive the M6 (wife's DD) and my F150. While I love them both, they are really heavy. No joke, and obviously this is a silly comparison as the F12 will massively out handle the F150 4x4 but I swear that the truck doesn't really feel any weightier when driving about town than the M6. Might be because the F150 has the 6 cyl eco-boost turbo and is very light under the hood but it truly does not feel heavier overall even though it is. Might also be the heavy steering of the M6. In any case, I wouldn't want either on a track!

The M3/4 will be no true competitor for the GT3. It also will not provide great sound either. That is one of the biggest complaints amongst the guys on the F10 M5 boards. Nearly impossible to get good sound out of the BMW turbos. I do however applaud BMW for heading back in the proper direction with their M cars. Nice to see them shaving weight and leaning towards more performance again instead of worrying about adding so much luxury. They were starting to confuse the consumer and create some disenchantment amongst M enthusiasts. I started a P car thread on the M boards after I had gotten my C2S along with two other buddies who converted before me ad we had about 10 more converts in a matter of just a couple of weeks.

kosmo

Whos comparing the bmw w/ a gt3???

In my eyes its s/b be comped w/ a cayman.

Btw the bmw 335 iS w/ a turbo 6 sounds great. Way better than my 997 tt.

ranger22

If my m3 is such a woman's car, why does it attract so many dudes?

frayed

I think you just answered your own question

neanicu

Manifold

Even if they're not in the same 'category', when you put them next to each other, either the M3/4 seems like a bargain or the GT3 seems overpriced.

frayed

Surprised at the raspy kinda narly engine sound at idle. I bet under load these cars will sound great.

Front end still hideously overstyled. WTF. Like the overall lines though.

Coupe looks better than the 4 door.

Prefer naturally aspirated motors for track but the bimmer will be a fine street car. I think a great companion car to 991 GT3 RS. Maybe I'll have both since I'm a BMW fan at heart. . . but it will take a special car for me to come back.

Once you start arguing 'value', which focuses on performance/$, then certainly you have to throw the sting ray and camaro into the equation, making all the german cars stupid expensive. Or, a used [insert car] that'll blow the doors off all these cars with a [insert] modification. So the value argument becomes never ending. I tend to look at cars throughout my price range and make a decision on which I want. Every time I've sacrificed and bought a cheaper car than what was in my wheelhouse I regretted it.

If the GT3 at 150k is too rich but the bimmers hit your happy place then buy one. Comparing it to a GT3 and relishing in the bargain factor is just mental gymnastics to make yourself feel better every time you give a point by.

neanicu

I'm sticking with my E46 M3 I got rather recent. I love it as a DD,track,long trips...you name it! Porsches don't get nearly as much time as this car! They're sitting in the garage while this car is covered in salt. I wouldn't buy the E92 but the new M4 could be it! My only gripe is the Turbos,but it's how things are going these days.
I don't know about the sound on this car,IMO the best Turbo sound I've personally heard is coming from the 5.5 L twin turbo V8s going on new AMGs! Incredible! It takes a really trained ear to realize it's a Turbo if you didn't know it.

Bluehinder

I've got one on order, it'll be my dd. Not a GT3, but half the price. Drive the the GT3 on the weekends.