OT. New m3/m4
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Being naturally aspirated is an integral part of the Gt3 and neither M 3/4 are n/a. Lack of forced induction is what distinguishes Gt3 from other high end porsches and its track focus too. So a porsche vs bmw comparison is valid, but perhaps better suited to the turbo section. But again if Tom were driving the 991 turbo he would blow away both Ms with ease.
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Being naturally aspirated is an integral part of the Gt3 and neither M 3/4 are n/a. Lack of forced induction is what distinguishes Gt3 from other high end porsches and its track focus too. So a porsche vs bmw comparison is valid, but perhaps better suited to the turbo section. But again if Tom were driving the 991 turbo he would blow away both Ms with ease.
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That's exactly the reason we got rid of her A4. Warranty was up and was using a lot of oil. We had it to the dealer for many times. no fix only added oil!!
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Just did an engine rebuild on a 2010 A4 with only 35k on the clock. New piston rings, rod bearings. Excessive oil consumption. Audi would not pick up the slack although they acknowledged the problem.
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The M3/4 will be no true competitor for the GT3. It also will not provide great sound either. That is one of the biggest complaints amongst the guys on the F10 M5 boards. Nearly impossible to get good sound out of the BMW turbos. I do however applaud BMW for heading back in the proper direction with their M cars. Nice to see them shaving weight and leaning towards more performance again instead of worrying about adding so much luxury. They were starting to confuse the consumer and create some disenchantment amongst M enthusiasts. I started a P car thread on the M boards after I had gotten my C2S along with two other buddies who converted before me ad we had about 10 more converts in a matter of just a couple of weeks.
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Even if they're not in the same 'category', when you put them next to each other, either the M3/4 seems like a bargain or the GT3 seems overpriced.
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Surprised at the raspy kinda narly engine sound at idle. I bet under load these cars will sound great.
Front end still hideously overstyled. WTF. Like the overall lines though.
Coupe looks better than the 4 door.
Prefer naturally aspirated motors for track but the bimmer will be a fine street car. I think a great companion car to 991 GT3 RS. Maybe I'll have both since I'm a BMW fan at heart. . . but it will take a special car for me to come back.
Once you start arguing 'value', which focuses on performance/$, then certainly you have to throw the sting ray and camaro into the equation, making all the german cars stupid expensive. Or, a used [insert car] that'll blow the doors off all these cars with a [insert] modification. So the value argument becomes never ending. I tend to look at cars throughout my price range and make a decision on which I want. Every time I've sacrificed and bought a cheaper car than what was in my wheelhouse I regretted it.
If the GT3 at 150k is too rich but the bimmers hit your happy place then buy one. Comparing it to a GT3 and relishing in the bargain factor is just mental gymnastics to make yourself feel better every time you give a point by.
Front end still hideously overstyled. WTF. Like the overall lines though.
Coupe looks better than the 4 door.
Prefer naturally aspirated motors for track but the bimmer will be a fine street car. I think a great companion car to 991 GT3 RS. Maybe I'll have both since I'm a BMW fan at heart. . . but it will take a special car for me to come back.
Once you start arguing 'value', which focuses on performance/$, then certainly you have to throw the sting ray and camaro into the equation, making all the german cars stupid expensive. Or, a used [insert car] that'll blow the doors off all these cars with a [insert] modification. So the value argument becomes never ending. I tend to look at cars throughout my price range and make a decision on which I want. Every time I've sacrificed and bought a cheaper car than what was in my wheelhouse I regretted it.
If the GT3 at 150k is too rich but the bimmers hit your happy place then buy one. Comparing it to a GT3 and relishing in the bargain factor is just mental gymnastics to make yourself feel better every time you give a point by.
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I'm sticking with my E46 M3 I got rather recent. I love it as a DD,track,long trips...you name it! Porsches don't get nearly as much time as this car! They're sitting in the garage while this car is covered in salt. I wouldn't buy the E92 but the new M4 could be it! My only gripe is the Turbos,but it's how things are going these days.
I don't know about the sound on this car,IMO the best Turbo sound I've personally heard is coming from the 5.5 L twin turbo V8s going on new AMGs! Incredible! It takes a really trained ear to realize it's a Turbo if you didn't know it.
I don't know about the sound on this car,IMO the best Turbo sound I've personally heard is coming from the 5.5 L twin turbo V8s going on new AMGs! Incredible! It takes a really trained ear to realize it's a Turbo if you didn't know it.
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