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Old 04-15-2013, 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by tcsracing1
I can see why teams are hesitant to run the new RSR this seaaon.
Was there ever an option for any team other than Manthey to run a 991 this season? That is, regardless of thoughts on 991 RSR, not much of an option to be hesitant about.
Old 04-15-2013, 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by fbroen
Was there ever an option for any team other than Manthey to run a 991 this season? That is, regardless of thoughts on 991 RSR, not much of an option to be hesitant about.
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Old 04-15-2013, 06:47 PM
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Bergmeister said it was suffering from oversteer in slow corners due to lack of time in set-up. The new for next year DFI engine will definitely make a difference on fuel mileage which will become a big problem this year at Le Mans. It is indeed early on as they have already identified problems. I don't see it becoming the class of the field but we also have to factor in the BOP that Aston is receiving. Even the GTE AM Astons were right up there and faster in many instances than the GTE PRO cars. Less weight and more power will tend to do that.

I think that come 2014's installment of the 24 heures we will have a better indicator of where the 991 RSR is really at.
Old 04-15-2013, 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by 917962
Bergmeister said it was suffering from oversteer in slow corners due to lack of time in set-up. The new for next year DFI engine will definitely make a difference on fuel mileage which will become a big problem this year at Le Mans. It is indeed early on as they have already identified problems. I don't see it becoming the class of the field but we also have to factor in the BOP that Aston is receiving. Even the GTE AM Astons were right up there and faster in many instances than the GTE PRO cars. Less weight and more power will tend to do that.

I think that come 2014's installment of the 24 heures we will have a better indicator of where the 991 RSR is really at.
+1 The fuel efficiency issue is a big one.....
Old 04-18-2013, 07:44 PM
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+1 The fuel efficiency issue is a big one....
Unfortunately, the ACO Balance of performance took the DFI fuel saving advantage away from Ferrari. Probably would happen to Porsche as well The biggest concern is that the 991 lacked top end speed. Will need that for Le Mans
Old 04-22-2013, 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by brake dust
Unfortunately, the ACO Balance of performance took the DFI fuel saving advantage away from Ferrari. Probably would happen to Porsche as well The biggest concern is that the 991 lacked top end speed. Will need that for Le Mans
Just reading in the sport auto (german car mag that does the supertests inluding ring times quoted here and elsewhere):
Due to continued discussions on direction of the GTE class we postponed the development of the DI engine ...too big a Financial risk...says Hartmut Kristen (head of motorsport @ Porsche).

BTW basis for homologation of the RSR was the C4S !!! Hence no GT3 in the name!
Old 04-23-2013, 09:40 AM
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BTW basis for homologation of the RSR was the C4S !!! Hence no GT3 in the name!
Interesting - didn't know that! Will this version run in 2014 as well?
Old 04-23-2013, 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by markus_t19

BTW basis for homologation of the RSR was the C4S !!! Hence no GT3 in the name!
So they can do that even though the engines are completely different?
Old 04-23-2013, 01:38 PM
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The engine is already fully homologated. It can be used for 8 years after it stops appearing in any road car. Homologation doesn't expire with the end of production.
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Old 04-24-2013, 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by markus_t19
Just reading in the sport auto (german car mag that does the supertests inluding ring times quoted here and elsewhere):
Due to continued discussions on direction of the GTE class we postponed the development of the DI engine ...too big a Financial risk...says Hartmut Kristen (head of motorsport @ Porsche).

BTW basis for homologation of the RSR was the C4S !!! Hence no GT3 in the name!
Thanks..but I dont get it - the widespread opinion was that the 991 GT3 engine will appear next year in the 991 RSR..now these words make this more unrealistic..so what will happen 2014?
Old 04-24-2013, 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Porsche.collector
Thanks..but I dont get it - the widespread opinion was that the 991 GT3 engine will appear next year in the 991 RSR..now these words make this more unrealistic..so what will happen 2014?
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Old 04-25-2013, 07:13 AM
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..thanks buddy..its that what I always suspected..and got hammered for it...we will just wait and see..but these words are certainly a blow for the "2014 RSR 991 GT3 engine believers"...

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Old 04-25-2013, 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by markus_t19
...BTW basis for homologation of the RSR was the C4S !!! Hence no GT3 in the name!
I'm still learning the finer points of ALMS and Grand-Am racing rules, specs, etc. Why was the C4S used instead of the GT3 for homologation?
Old 04-25-2013, 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by markus_t19
BTW basis for homologation of the RSR was the C4S !!! Hence no GT3 in the name!
Is there publicly available evidence of this? I'm not so much doubting what you say as I am intrigued to look at the papers themselves. Perhaps they will answer the immediate question that pops into my head, "why?"


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