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tonka24 02-27-2021 09:37 AM

Would you buy a 991.1 GT3 today?
 
At what price savings would you buy a similarly equipped/miles 991.1 GT3 vs 991.2 GT3? Assuming the 991.1 is a 2015. My fear is after the powertrain warranty expires, the 991.1 is going to take a massive depreciation and be almost sale proof if the engine has not been replaced.

I currently have the option to purchase each at around a $40k delta. Again, both highly spec’d, under 10k miles.

991carreradriver 02-27-2021 09:49 AM


Originally Posted by tonka24 (Post 17261325)
At what price savings would you buy a similarly equipped/miles 991.1 GT3 vs 991.2 GT3? Assuming the 991.1 is a 2015. My fear is after the powertrain warranty expires, the 991.1 is going to take a massive depreciation and be almost sale proof if the engine has not been replaced.

I currently have the option to purchase each at around a $40k delta. Again, both highly spec’d, under 10k miles.

Purchase a unit that has a "G" engine, which would be a '14, or '15, with a "G" replacement engine installed. Alternatively, (harder to find) purchase a '16 which came with the upgraded "G" engine if resale is your concern. If this keeps you awake at night, then skip the .1 and pay the premium for .2. IMHO, the price delta is an expensive sleeping pill!

tstafford 02-27-2021 11:12 AM

Since you asked - There's no delta at which I'd buy a .1 GT3.

FWIW - IMHO this is a totally personal decision based purely on risk/reward and financial wherewith-all. This issues with the .1 are more or less well understood. And, those aside, the other advantages of the .2 are similarly understood.

RDCR 02-27-2021 11:53 AM

Invest the $40K wisely and it will pay for a new motor by the time the engine warranty runs out.

shahrukh_bakar 02-27-2021 11:56 AM

The rational answer to this question in terms of the price differential between the 991.1 and 991.2 strictly relating to engine failure should be equal to the expected value of the outcome. In other words:

Difference in probability of the bad outcome (engine failure) x net cost of the bad outcome

The net cost of the outcome will be the sum of the parts cost of the replacement engine plus labour and opportunity cost of your time plus diminished value of the car when the event happens.

This explains why the difference in price between the 991.1 and 991.2 will be worth it to some people and not others since the opportunity cost of dealing with an engine replacement will inevitably be different for different people.

tonka24 02-27-2021 12:27 PM


Originally Posted by 991carreradriver (Post 17261348)
Purchase a unit that has a "G" engine, which would be a '14, or '15, with a "G" replacement engine installed. Alternatively, (harder to find) purchase a '16 which came with the upgraded "G" engine if resale is your concern. If this keeps you awake at night, then skip the .1 and pay the premium for .2. IMHO, the price delta is an expensive sleeping pill!

Unfortunately, The engine in the desired 991.1 is an most likely an E1 or F. Production month 11/2014.


Originally Posted by tstafford (Post 17261496)
Since you asked - There's no delta at which I'd buy a .1 GT3.
I figured that would be a possible response.

FWIW - IMHO this is a totally personal decision based purely on risk/reward and financial wherewith-all. This issues with the .1 are more or less well understood. And, those aside, the other advantages of the .2 are similarly understood.

Correct. Financially, $40k makes a difference to me. Otherwise, I would eliminate the 991.1 altogether.


Originally Posted by RDCR (Post 17261594)
Invest the $40K wisely and it will pay for a new motor by the time the engine warranty runs out.

That scenario has also crossed my mind.

3Series 02-27-2021 01:11 PM

How much was the expected cost for the fix/solution that was close to being completed for the 991.1 engine?
Some shop was developing a fix until Porsche came out with the 10yr, so they shelved it.

JGC 02-27-2021 01:18 PM

It's "possibly" a blown motor with a 991.1 versus definitely spending $40K more for a 991.2

sgroer 02-27-2021 01:27 PM

no

fsts2k 02-27-2021 01:42 PM

I have a .1 and don’t worry about the engine. Every car forum i have been on makes a huge deal about every engine... I am not worried about it and think 40k is an astronomical for limited benefit. You will love it

RonnyC 02-27-2021 01:49 PM

Is extended warranty available? This may be a much less expensive sleeping pill...

pissedpuppy 02-27-2021 02:36 PM


Originally Posted by RDCR (Post 17261594)
Invest the $40K wisely and it will pay for a new motor by the time the engine warranty runs out.

maybe, maybe not...

catdog2 02-27-2021 02:54 PM

I think 991.1 is a great deal especially now; just have a rainy day fund... biggest issue is resale value so if you get it at good price then do it..
What is the actual failure rate ? 20% 40% ? mileage-dependent?
It is sad that 991.1 GT3 appear to be apparently under-represented/repressed in this sub-forum, it's an amazingly good car

hiroshikato1 02-27-2021 03:01 PM

It’s Murphy’s Law. Since you are questioning the what if, you will blow your engine. Those who don’t wonder or question will keep thei4 engine. I had a 2015 GT3 and traded it in for a 2019 GT3 Touring, mainly because I worried about the what if... looking back now I look like a genius as my trade value was $128K and the Touring was list. People who think too much usually don’t sleep as well as those you don’t think at all.

tonka24 02-27-2021 03:02 PM


Originally Posted by catdog2 (Post 17261970)
I think 991.1 is a great deal especially now; just have a rainy day fund... biggest issue is resale value so if you get it at good price then do it..
What is the actual failure rate ? 20% 40% ? mileage-dependent?
It is sad that 991.1 GT3 appear to be apparently under-represented/repressed in this sub-forum, it's an amazingly good car

Not a bad question... I wonder what the actual failure rate is and if there is a time/milage when the failure generally occurs?


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