Originally Posted by ipse dixit

Yup.

Sounds like you were Marc Marquez’ teacher.

Originally Posted by Big Swole

I see your point and most folks would say the same, but think about this.

Open road with no cars and plenty of site path...Quick accel / decel in these cars only takes a few seconds.

VS.

Going 20-30 over posted in congested traffic and / or zipping in/out of other cars.

As a police officer, I've worked TONS of the later style accidents and NONE of the top scenario in my 14+ year career.

My point?? Is it illegal to do what he did? Yes... Is it the most dangerous compared to what most drivers do a daily basis ALL Day long?? NO.

Originally Posted by usrodeo4

Haha, that is funny, no where near that level...Marquez and the boys are on a different planet. I was just always a good athlete and had good reflexes and was fearless but was too small to play varsity football well and had lots of trigger time (started on a mini bike in elementary school, then a 150cc Vespa scooter that I used to ride like a pro in the woods, then a Bonanza mini cycle, then a 175cc Enduro, then YZ125, then YZ250, then a TZ-250 (My Dad modified our YZ250 and we did some flat rack and TT races with her too, beyond motocross) , then H2-750, then TZ-350, then a handful of top level superbikes...got the 10,000 hours of experience to become an "expert" sometime early in the process but nowhere near the Moto GP guys...but sure would have liked to have seen where I could have gone had I stuck with it, but I am glad I listened to my Dad and we hung up the racing leathers late in my Sr. year.

Originally Posted by usrodeo4

All the years I rode/raced scooters I never seriously got off one (a few low sides on the road race scooters and a few dumps in the dirt/motocross). Had my share of close calls that could have been dangerous but never a bad get off that resulted in injury. I didn't start getting injured until I took up Tennis at the A club level, haha, screwed my back, my knee and had a severe ankle dislocation. Here is an old Road Race story for you that you will appreciate. I had just gotten a sponsored TZ-350 (D) ride for Daytona in '75 and had run a few of the amateur prelim races and had placed high enough that I earned my Expert License right at the track. My sponsor (Island Yamaha in Merritt Island Fl.) and my Dad (Pop was an Engineer out at The Cape and was my main wrench and financer beyond the free ride) were discussing if they wanted to make a qualifying run for the 200 and I was out during one of the open practices. I came down off the front tri oval and was getting ready to start braking for turn one into the infield when a certain #1 plated Yamaha TZ-750 came by me. I instantly knew it was KR and tucked in behind him thinking I could follow him through the infield and learn a few things. Through turn one being I had the smaller lighter bike I even got inside him briefly and then being the 18 year old kid I was the thought crossed my brain that hey you have the lighter bike, maybe you can get him through one of the infield turns...he then pulled me pretty good thru turn 2/3 but at the 4th hair pin I was able to out brake him and started to get what I thought was the inside line on him again...lol, Kenny had purposely gone out side and then rotated the bike (steering with the back wheel) and pointed the front tire at the apex exit point and left a rubber mark all the way across the track as he slid his TZ-750 all the way to his chosen exit point then popped up and was gone...lol. Never saw him again. The only thing I learned was Kenny was otherworldly talented and I needed to stop messing around and get prepared for Engineering College like my dad had been telling me.

Originally Posted by Marv

The only issue with that performance is that it doesn't make a good example for other potential drivers. Given that the vast number of drivers (young and old) have virtually no skill with vehicle control, encouraging them to emulate street racing isn't the best idea.

Originally Posted by usrodeo4

All the years I rode/raced scooters I never seriously got off one (a few low sides on the road race scooters and a few dumps in the dirt/motocross). Had my share of close calls that could have been dangerous but never a bad get off that resulted in injury. I didn't start getting injured until I took up Tennis at the A club level, haha, screwed my back, my knee and had a severe ankle dislocation. Here is an old Road Race story for you that you will appreciate. I had just gotten a sponsored TZ-350 (D) ride for Daytona in '75 and had run a few of the amateur prelim races and had placed high enough that I earned my Expert License right at the track. My sponsor (Island Yamaha in Merritt Island Fl.) and my Dad (Pop was an Engineer out at The Cape and was my main wrench and financer beyond the free ride) were discussing if they wanted to make a qualifying run for the 200 and I was out during one of the open practices. I came down off the front tri oval and was getting ready to start braking for turn one into the infield when a certain #1 plated Yamaha TZ-750 came by me. I instantly knew it was KR and tucked in behind him thinking I could follow him through the infield and learn a few things. Through turn one being I had the smaller lighter bike I even got inside him briefly and then being the 18 year old kid I was the thought crossed my brain that hey you have the lighter bike, maybe you can get him through one of the infield turns...he then pulled me pretty good thru turn 2/3 but at the 4th hair pin I was able to out brake him and started to get what I thought was the inside line on him again...lol, Kenny had purposely gone out side and then rotated the bike (steering with the back wheel) and pointed the front tire at the apex exit point and left a rubber mark all the way across the track as he slid his TZ-750 all the way to his chosen exit point then popped up and was gone...lol. Never saw him again. The only thing I learned was Kenny was otherworldly talented and I needed to stop messing around and get prepared for Engineering College like my dad had been telling me.

Originally Posted by Big Swole

I see your point and most folks would say the same, but think about this.

Open road with no cars and plenty of site path...Quick accel / decel in these cars only takes a few seconds.

VS.

Going 20-30 over posted in congested traffic and / or zipping in/out of other cars.

As a police officer, I've worked TONS of the later style accidents and NONE of the top scenario in my 14+ year career.

My point?? Is it illegal to do what he did? Yes... Is it the most dangerous compared to what most drivers do a daily basis ALL Day long?? NO.

Originally Posted by RDCR

Would you have written these 2 up?

Originally Posted by Big Swole

Hard to answer. First off, our "chase policy" is very strict and if either chose not to stop, we couldn't chase anyway.

Secondly, I'm a bit different of an officer compared to most / others. I've ridden fast motorcycles / cars all my life. So odds are (unless they were totally disrespectful to me), I'd give them a good "talking to" and cut them loose.

I've had my share of speeding tickets back in the day. Even got arrested once for riding a wheelie. lol. But, I look at things in the big picture. It's all the other crap I see most normal drivers do that's FAR MORE dangerous, than the folks on an open deserted road going for a quick "roll race".

But for the record, Racing isn't just a "write them up" thing. It's a, "Do not pass GO and head straight to jail" thing, most times. So be careful!! Not all officers see / do things the way I do.