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Michelin Cup 2 R K1 (Ferrari Spec) on GT3?

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Old 06-22-2020, 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by 997 tt/rs
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What track and who were the drivers?
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Has anyone even seen these tires? I’ve yet to find a photo on the internet. It’s always a photo of the RS 21” size.
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Originally Posted by Jbravo23
Has anyone even seen these tires? I’ve yet to find a photo on the internet. It’s always a photo of the RS 21” size.


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Old 07-16-2020, 11:55 AM
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sweet! My next tire for sure.
Old 07-17-2020, 01:11 AM
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I wanna go the other route-I just wish they'd make cup 2s in 315/35/20 so I could put them on my 812 and not have to go to 21" aftermarket rims.
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Originally Posted by FCMD
I wanna go the other route-I just wish they'd make cup 2s in 315/35/20 so I could put them on my 812 and not have to go to 21" aftermarket rims.
335/30/20 is available, might be close to rolling radius required for the front?

AMG BS rear tyre

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Originally Posted by 3Series
If the tire fits on the wheel you are running, you are good to go. All this ' N spec' stuff is marketing. Each tire will perform differently per driver, car, track, ambient temp etc....Some will say Trofeo R's are sticker than Cup 2's but fall off faster in grip with less heat cycles etc....some will say the other way for Cup 2's. Tire choice is very personal.

As long as the tire is developed to compete against each other.
It's definitely not marketing, that on itself is quite a naive statement to make given how expensive tires are to develop and manufacturers regardless of production they all spend the money on developing a tire for their cars.
That aside, a big part of development is to complement and tuning on "feel" the safety part is mostly on load per tire (from g forces the car can produce, roll levels, downforce values, to the individual corner weight).
The pista rears for sure surpass the gt3 values, ferraris have a bit more roll, they are heavier on the rear, so at least the sidewalls will be strong and the rears will perform well, I would take a bit of extra attention to tire pressures at least, might need a bit lower than pista values.
The problem might be with the front ones, the Pista has the tank in the back, the gt3 in the front, it's at least 90kg (90 liters of fuel) extra load on them and pretty much direct load, under heavy braking you will get a even bigger load.

I would try, but not on a very fast track. Just strap a go pro and see how much they are flexing and play a bit with pressures.
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Originally Posted by GrantG
I agree with that sentiment, JC.

While it's fine to be passionate about this hobby and inevitably a strongly expressed opinion may offend some people on the board, there's really no need for a less than friendly tone. We're all here to enjoy the hobby - there is no point in trying to denigrate others while doing so.

His information is flat out wrong, period and is thus treated with the contempt it deserves.

Tires, particularly those used for track work and used at very high speeds are not just some afterthought - manufactures work closely with tire suppliers to tune tires to specific car characteristics.

This in turn impacts on the optimal alignment for a given range of conditions. The more a tread/compound combination moves away from conventional street patterns and compounds the more important it becomes to understand this and get it right.

If you get it wrong, at best you will experience excessive wear and tear and at worst, particularly in the wet - you will find you are a passenger into a tree/wall/other vehicle.



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Originally Posted by mrhamamg
im still trying to figure out whether i should get OEM Cup 2 N1s or Cup 2R K1s!
I have spun thru this thread pretty quickly, but if I understand you to be saying that that the Cup2 R tires don't come in GT3 sizes but that Ferrari does have a Cup2 R on one of its cars in the GT3 sizes...I would be very tempted to buy a set and see what I think.
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Originally Posted by JCR-Porsche
335/30/20 is available, might be close to rolling radius required for the front?

AMG BS rear tyre

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Looking at this again. The 335/30/21is the only rear with appropriate load range but is great as is the same diameter. Up front though have to go 305/30/20 for load, which is up from 275s.......but down 10mm in diameter. My stance is perfect after lowering it 1.25" all around. Getting more weight up front, more grip up front may really mess up handling. The RWS really loosens up the rear just wonderfully in the 812 over the F12. Zero understeer....hate to screw that up....the opposite of good is perfect.

Trofeos are an option but have softer sidewalls and are better suited for lighter cars.
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Originally Posted by usrodeo4
I have spun thru this thread pretty quickly, but if I understand you to be saying that that the Cup2 R tires don't come in GT3 sizes but that Ferrari does have a Cup2 R on one of its cars in the GT3 sizes...I would be very tempted to buy a set and see what I think.
yes thats a good way to sum this thread up. i ended up getting the oem N1 spec vs the cup 2 r for ferrari
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Did anyone ever come up with a final answer here?

Can I run the Cup 2R Ferrari K1 spec on a totally stock 991.2 GT3?
Any fitment issues or other notable issues?
Anyone test it yet?
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Originally Posted by carbondan
Did anyone ever come up with a final answer here?

Can I run the Cup 2R Ferrari K1 spec on a totally stock 991.2 GT3?
Any fitment issues or other notable issues?
Anyone test it yet?
didn’t test it. Still curious waiting for someone to do it
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I ran one set, it was totally fine

Tire does have a very narrrow "fast" window, once you're through the good stuff it's as slow as any worn Cup2
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Originally Posted by carbondan
Did anyone ever come up with a final answer here?

Can I run the Cup 2R Ferrari K1 spec on a totally stock 991.2 GT3?
Any fitment issues or other notable issues?
Anyone test it yet?
Originally Posted by mrhamamg
didn’t test it. Still curious waiting for someone to do it
We ran it on our Speedster quite some time ago, worked absolutely great. No issues, no fitment issues either

Onboard here from our Speedster around Donington Park GP Circuit. Significantly faster than a stock 991.2 GT3 RS on a Cup2R


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