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Old 05-22-2020 | 06:11 PM
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To me, the similarity is that each has a particular distinct charm and feeling of its own. And the only true comparison is that each is primarily the work of, and is very much infused with the heart and soul, and perhaps the personality of, one of the three aforementioned great engineers.
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Originally Posted by Jrtaylor9
Haha. Fair enough! I think I'd seen so many comparisons to 964rs, I jumped to conclusions. Who knows, you might like them all FOR their diversity, not any commonalities.

Out of curiosity, other than no-wing, why so many 991r owners claim its a "modern interpretation of 964rs"? Because while I think they are both brilliant 911s, they seem to be such different drive philosophies once behind the wheel.
I would love to find a 964RS and potentially add it as a keeper. But I would probably go with a 964 hotrod to play with instead. Either way, I have no idea how the 991 911R compare to a 964RS.
Old 05-22-2020 | 06:20 PM
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911R with the light flywheel is what the Dr. ordered, as an accompaniment to Carrera GT...
No ifs ands or buts about it...
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Old 05-22-2020 | 06:35 PM
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The 964RS and the 911R are as different as are Roland Kussmaul and Andy Preuninger and as similar as are Roland Kussmaul and Andy Preuninger. Not a great answer but the best one I can give. They were also influenced by the economic condition of Porsche in the early 1990's and in 2016-2017. In any event, for many reasons, in a 911, I can think of no better cars at producing a smile, albeit each a different smile.
Old 05-22-2020 | 06:40 PM
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catdog2: wait until the carbon clutch is ready for the 911R, notwithstanding the noise, etc., almost 20 pounds of rotating weight off the engine - and if you want to go all the way, revised rods, pistons and crankshaft = 3kg off the cranktrain!
Old 05-22-2020 | 07:01 PM
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So many F40's are in poor state of tune it's not surprising that people who don't have much experience with the car, other than maybe having driven "one", talk about the flaws. In my experience many (maybe most) of them aren't completely stock anymore and don't run like they're supposed to. Many had the ECU's and boost jacked with, all manner of exhaust mods, intercoolers changed, etc, but most just need to be tuned by someone who knows these cars. A good F40 had far less turbo lag than even a late 930. They feel like more power than they actually have, though Ferrari has never been shy about optimistic power ratings, so I think it's just perception since the car weighs much less than you'd expect given the size. The build quality, especially considering the way the bodywork was made, was excellent in my opinion, but you have to compare it to a race car, which it basically was. My big complaint about the F40 was that the brakes just weren't up to the rest of the car, but it's an amazing car overall.

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I've heard a couple people express this - the F40 experience has a lot of 'flaws' - build quality, comical turbo lag, etc but for some people this adds to the character.
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Old 05-22-2020 | 07:01 PM
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catdog2: wait until the carbon clutch is ready for the 911R, notwithstanding the noise, etc., almost 20 pounds of rotating weight off the engine - and if you want to go all the way, revised rods, pistons and crankshaft = 3kg off the cranktrain!
wish I had an R, have a lowly 991.2RS, wish they had put that SMWF on the touring...
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Old 05-22-2020 | 07:53 PM
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Only Ferrari that ever interested me was 288 GTO.
Old 05-24-2020 | 02:26 AM
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I dont think they'll ever do a LWMF for quite some time, tired of hearing the phrase a love letter to customers, but the R truly is that, wish my bookstore was open so I could buy a magazine
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Old 05-24-2020 | 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Robert Linton
The 964RS and the 911R are as different as are Roland Kussmaul and Andy Preuninger and as similar as are Roland Kussmaul and Andy Preuninger. Not a great answer but the best one I can give. They were also influenced by the economic condition of Porsche in the early 1990's and in 2016-2017. In any event, for many reasons, in a 911, I can think of no better cars at producing a smile, albeit each a different smile.
I don’t have a 911R but I do have a 991 GT3T and a 964 RS. I couldn’t get a 911R so when the GT3T came out I was desperate to get one as I saw the GT3T (ex the 911R) as the first true descendent of the 964RS. Yes, they are 25+ years apart, but in my eyes, no other Pcars since have been closer in philosophy. I speced my GT3T to be as close as possible to my 964RS as I could - silver wheels, black window trim, black interior, matt black door handles, same colour, etc. When you drive the two cars back to back, you can see and feels the similarities. Sure the 964RS is much harder in ride, but that’s only because back then there was not the sophistatcion in suspension design as there is today.

Back in 2018, Total911 magazine did a cover story on the two cars because they also agreed with my view of the ancestral line. The two make up what I regard as one of the greatest pairs of Pcars anybody can own. They are blood brothers.



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Old 05-24-2020 | 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by josephvman
So many F40's are in poor state of tune it's not surprising that people who don't have much experience with the car, other than maybe having driven "one", talk about the flaws. In my experience many (maybe most) of them aren't completely stock anymore and don't run like they're supposed to. Many had the ECU's and boost jacked with, all manner of exhaust mods, intercoolers changed, etc, but most just need to be tuned by someone who knows these cars. A good F40 had far less turbo lag than even a late 930. They feel like more power than they actually have, though Ferrari has never been shy about optimistic power ratings, so I think it's just perception since the car weighs much less than you'd expect given the size. The build quality, especially considering the way the bodywork was made, was excellent in my opinion, but you have to compare it to a race car, which it basically was. My big complaint about the F40 was that the brakes just weren't up to the rest of the car, but it's an amazing car overall.
Not to mention, special items like replacing the fuel tank every 10 years for 30k to 40k............
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Anytime the letter "R" is introduced into a thread with compared to another car, a fuse is lit, gloves are dropped, a few roundhouse punches are thrown, and people lose a few chiclets.


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Old 05-24-2020 | 03:24 PM
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Really enjoyed that article and pictures, Chris.
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Old 05-25-2020 | 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by maroli
From what I've read, a properly set up F50 is a better drive than an F40. I know where my money would go between the two.
I reverse Uno card you with an healthy, properly setup, 89 euro f40, rarer than hen's teeth tho.
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