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Hi all,
So about six weeks ago, I picked up my 2018 991 GT3. The car is just amazing, and I'm still waiting for my first track event which takes place on 1st of May.
Last Friday, however, I discovered a damage to my front right PCCB disc and the wheel. It has cracked for about 5 mm's inwards (0,2 inches). I immediately called a Porsche repair shop. Was told they need to measure the damage. Worst case, I would have to buy a new disc for 80 000 SEK (8000 USD)! If the left one is old, a new one is needed there as well. Plus new pads and hours. Could end up with approximately 180 000 SEK (18 000 USD)! I'm not sure what has happened, if it's a stone that caused the crack and the lost part scratched the wheel. Or if the disc is so worn out that it broke. I was shocked about the price. Having read up before the purchase, I understood that PCCB discs would cost around 2-3000 USD each, so would estimate about the equivalent in SEK, i.e. maximum 30 000 SEK per disc. I know that PCCB as an option on a new 991 GT3 costs about 50-100 000 SEK. If Porsche then charges 80 000 SEK for one single disc, isn't that close to fraudulent? I'm quite upset to be honest. But my bad for not checking spare part prices directly with Porsche in Sweden before the purchase.
I called another Porsche repair shop. By only viewing the attached photos, they admitted that the discs appear to be quite worn out, also given that the ventilators are filled. But mentioned the possibility to make a claim on my full coverage insurance, as a damage to the vehicle. So I booked an appointment there for tomorrow, so that they can take a proper look and judge what needs to be done.
In the mean time, I also sent pictures of the damage to a couple of knowledgeable friends. Was told that the discs look way too shiny to be PCCB discs, that they appear not to be in a good condition. Before I purchased the car, I was told by the seller that the pads had 40% left, but that the discs were fine. I have only driven the car about 2400 km (1500 miles) on the street since I bought it.
Anyway, will post an update tomorrow once the Porsche shop has examined the disc.
Did you get a PPI done before buying? If you did, what did the PPI say? How did the previous owner know the pads had 40% left? I.e. was the car inspected for someone else?
There are also numerous threads here about the cost of PCCB replacements. I can imagine how much the situation sucks, especially for a car you just bought, but you definitely should’ve researched this before buying.
Did you get a PPI done before buying? If you did, what did the PPI say? How did the previous owner know the pads had 40% left? I.e. was the car inspected for someone else?
There are also numerous threads here about the cost of PCCB replacements. I can imagine how much the situation sucks, especially for a car you just bought, but you definitely should’ve researched this before buying.
Hi,
Thanks for your response. I relied on the seller's (authorized Porsche dealer) information before I purchased the car, since I'm loosely acquainted with the Head and know he's a decent guy. The information about 40% on the pads came from his staff. They purchased the car back from the first owner, who got a new GT3 RS instead. I agree with your comment, should have researched replacement disc prices more properly. But do you agree that the discs look worn out?
If I had to spend money out of pocket to replace PCCB rotor's, I would just buy a set of the Surface Transforms CCB's and call it a day. The ST's can be recondition and will last longer at the track.
If I had to spend money out of pocket to replace PCCB rotor's, I would just buy a set of the Surface Transforms CCB's and call it a day. The ST's can be recondition and will last longer at the track.
Thanks for the info. Will see how this ends, and consider Surface Transforms if I need to pay anything for new discs.
If I'm lucky, I can claim front discs on the insurance. And if they are indeed worn out according to the inspection tomorrow, I will go back to the seller as well regarding the rear ones. The Swedish sports car community is small and I know they are decent guys, so hopefully there will be a good solution in the end.
There are offers for 12 000 - 13 000 euro of a complete set of new PCCBs including rotors, brake pads and even calipers.
I had my car with steel rotors from the factory and bought a complete set of PCCBs.
If you don’t use your car on race tracks heavily (20 track days per year or more), I would go with PCCBs. 12 000 euro for a complete set is a very reasonable figure as per my understanding.
There are offers for 12 000 - 13 000 euro of a complete set of new PCCBs including rotors, brake pads and even calipers.
I had my car with steel rotors from the factory and bought a complete set of PCCBs.
If you don’t use your car on race tracks heavily (20 track days per year or more), I would go with PCCBs. 12 000 euro for a complete set is a very reasonable figure as per my understanding.
Thanks for the info! May I ask how you received them at that price? The quotes I received from the Porsche spare part people were slightly higher hehe.
I have two track days booked in April and May. If I enjoy it a lot, I might go for a few more this year. But it will maximum be around 5-6 days per year most probably. I think backside country road driving is more my thing
Sorry man. Unfortunate situation. But I agree with the comments above. See what the shop says and then explore some alternative solutions depending on your intended use. The Surface Transforms suggestion sounds like a reasonable consideration to me.
Thanks for the info! May I ask how you received them at that price? The quotes I received from the Porsche spare part people were slightly higher hehe.
I have two track days booked in April and May. If I enjoy it a lot, I might go for a few more this year. But it will maximum be around 5-6 days per year most probably. I think backside country road driving is more my thing
I am doing by far more than 5-6 days a year ))
And I use brakes very heavily.
I would highly recommend staying with PCCBs then. With PCCBs you will have no issues while visiting Porsche dealers for any service with questions like “You have an aftermarket brake components!”
The reason for such proposals at this price is EBAY. Those are new components and NOT refurbished.
Authorized Porsche dealer will sell you at the sticker price.
I am doing by far more than 5-6 days a year ))
And I use brakes very heavily.
I would highly recommend staying with PCCBs then. With PCCBs you will have no issues while visiting Porsche dealers for any service with questions like “You have an aftermarket brake components!”
The reason for such proposals at this price is EBAY. Those are new components and NOT refurbished.
Authorized Porsche dealer will sell you at the sticker price.
Thanks for all your replies. The million dollar question, however, is whether the discs really could have been in a "very good condition" when I purchased the car 2400 relatively calm road kilometers ago (1500 miles)? That's the documented information I have in an e-mail from the seller, which is based on the inspection of his colleagues. Pictures on each of the two front discs and one in the rear.
This is utter crap, you are being fed a line - (a) you don't need to replace the whole assembly and top hats (b) if you don't understand this go to an indy! (c) the particulate matter in the cross drilled holes is normal!
The photos show you have a fresh scrape on the inside of your wheel barrel, did a rock get in there, do the damage to the wheel and chip your rotor?
If so, then massive sorries for your sad first experience of ownership, these really are fun cars
PS - This appears to be the least expensive option for new OEM replacements
04-20-2020, 05:48 AM
My PCCB nightmare
