evilfij

tonymission

Just wish Porsche would make their own widebody, longhood throwback car with modern technology. They couldn't sell 992 of them?? I post this all the time and no one ever agrees with me or responds. Hard to imagine it's that stupid of an idea, but maybe so...

michaelo

Yeah, can somebody elaborate what Porsche has to pay attention too? Last time I checked, they were selling every single 911 they made with no issues.

Robert Linton

Not "sniping" but asking a perfectly fair and legitimate question, the same question I would ask of any other car. As to being an "old" car, the engine is new, the transmission is new, the interior is new (though the original U.S. 964s had airbags and the Singer does not appear to have them), the suspension is new, the gas tank is new, the body panels are new, etc. Could that mean that a Singer must conform with new regulations? I do not know the answer. Does anyone?

evilfij

TexasPorschelover

I dunno but fair point - they are playing by two different sets of rules. The 911R is the embodiment of of Porsche's version of the Singer/Williams collaboration in my mind. Obviously the R was hugely successful and many go on and on how special it is even though the .2 GT3 is perhaps more advanced on paper. This is precisely what we can hope continues from Porsche as their cars continue to get more and more technologically advanced. The R retained the rawness which was somewhat reduced in the .2 GT3. As we move towards hybrids etc this will be a bigger challenge for Porsche ie keeping the experience even though the performance will no doubt continue to advance.

Jrtaylor9

I think the R is an awesome car. I don't at all think it's Porsche's version of a Williams/Singer collaboration. They are different companies with very different objectives, products, etc.

Robert Linton

Perhaps a better way to frame my question is this: "If you go in a ride with your friend (a young doctor in the prime of his/her life) in your new $1.8 million Singer with its air bags removed, do not tell your friend that the air bags have been removed (normally no one would start a ride in the country with saying "beware of driving with me as I/Singer have removed the airbags), let alone have her/him sign a waiver, have an accident such as hitting another car in which your friend dies, which accident is clearly proven to be your fault, and it is proven that if you/Singer had not removed the airbags (will not even discuss all of the hard surfaces in the interior of the new Singer [i.e., e.g., possible head impact]) your friend would have lived, will your insurance company cover you and how will a jury react when your (now dead) friend's family sues you (clearly you have deep pockets as you paid $1.8 million for the car) and it is clear that you/Singer have knowingly and willingly removed the airbags and have not subjected the car to appropriate (as defined by plaintiff's counsel) safety tests (regardless of whether or not the law requires it), particularly in light of and given the removal of the air bags and the redesign of the interior?"

Robert Linton

P.S. Add to the above scenario that you happen to be in a jurisdiction that is especially friendly to plaintiffs and that you had a few drinks before the accident.

In short, regardless of what is strictly required under law or statute, if I were Singer and Williams (with deeper pockets) I would want to make sure that my own liability insurance is adequate. And hope that the jury does not look at "jury nullification" of any potential help to the defense after plaintiff's counsel plays the videos of Singer et al describing how this is the "greatest Porsche ever'.

djcxxx

My thought as well.

fskof

Looks like Robert tried getting Singer to use his designed engines but the discussions did not go anywhere.

Post #6

https://rennlist.com/forums/porsche-...ed-engine.html

and he has been anti-Singer ever since!

Robert Linton

Completely untrue not to mention that the engine on which we are working is only in the first stage of being built and was never intended for Singer. And, this has nothing to do with the scenario I described above.

fskof

In the past Robert has posted about Alternatives to Singer:

https://rennlist.com/forums/porsche-...er-restos.html

https://rennlist.com/forums/porsche-...op-5001-a.html

https://rennlist.com/forums/porsche-...ternative.html


Robert does Workshop 5001,Kaege or Lightspeed-classic have any written evidence from DOT, NHSTA, CARB, etc. that they have passed any of the safety and/or pollution tests

Robert Linton

And saying that the engine, if it works, would fit a Singer is true of all air cooled 911s and that I would be happy to supply them is something I would say to anyone, but, in fact, if was never offered to Singer nor did they ever ask. Further, I am sure that you would find fault me if I stated I would not supply engines to anyone. And, again, this has nothing to do with safety and I would have nothing to say on the matter if someone would have a definitive answer about testing and results which are exactly the same questions I would ask about any car.

Robert Linton

Of course I would ask the same questions about them but they do not seem to be a source of interest on Rennlist. Nor do I have any business connection with any of them or Singer. I simply thought that as people appear to be interested in restomods, I would point out others (as others have done too). No different than talking about McLaren, Ferrari, etc. on this forum. But while all of this is interesting, there still is no definitive answer to the compliance of Singer with any laws, rules, statutes or regulations, including, but not limited to, U.S. Federal and State. And no amount of blowing smoke at me is going to change this.