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Old 08-26-2018, 10:24 PM
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Really interesting article about how Singer and Williams collaborated on their 911. They meshed goals delivering the desired driving experience with extracting maximum performance and it sounds like it was a productive exercises yielding the desired results.

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2018/08...-f1-engineers/
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With an open checkbook. Porsche has to design to a price point.

Who jnows. Maybe this gold car thing is a beta test to see ifmporsche dips their toe into retro mods. Sure there is but $ there.
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For Porsche its not a money thing. It’s a design philosophy. They get economies of scale vs. Singer selling 75 examples that are hand built. They need to work hard to keep the soul of Porsche and love of driving alive..... focus on endorphins not just competitor numbers.
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I've not seen any drive reviews of this car yet. Does anyone know when (if?) we can expect these?
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$1.8MM and early 90's safety features?
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Pay attention to what?
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If anything more of these, than they can become street legal... https://jalopnik.com/heres-exactly-w...rbo-1828578768
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$1.8MM and early 90's safety features?
You even have to change the gears yourself!
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Originally Posted by Spyerx
Who jnows. Maybe this gold car thing is a beta test to see ifmporsche dips their toe into retro mods. Sure there is but $ there.
It seems this is already a thing?

https://www.porsche.com/australia/ac...n/restoration/
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Saw this car on the concept lawn at Pebble Beach today. Looked good for sure, especially inside, but not $1.8mm good. Wow!!
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Originally Posted by ipse dixit
Pay attention to what?
jWell.... You have to read the article first which was very interesting if you can get through the whole thing. Williams was 100% focused on on every detail that would increase performance. Singer tempered that with retaining the raw experience. The combined result apparently is what we all talk about so much on this forum and why the 997 4.0 gets such high marks around here. The 992 appears to be a technological leap perhaps - we will see.... but will it loose what makes the 997 4.0 so special and what we love about driving Porsches? Anway this isn’t anything other that a pilosophical conversation so don’t take it for more - the point being Porsche will need to conciensly try to engineer that “experience “ into the cars at the expense of chasing competitors performance numbers or achieve both which would be masterful while dealing with the regulatory side of the business.

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Is there any written evidence from DOT, NHSTA, CARB, etc. that the Singer has passed any of the safety and/or pollution tests required of the lowest priced Porsche or is it "buyer beware"?
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Originally Posted by Robert Linton
Is there any written evidence from DOT, NHSTA, CARB, etc. that the Singer has passed any of the safety and/or pollution tests required of the lowest priced Porsche or is it "buyer beware"?
Robert,

Singer “reimagines” 964 era cars so they are not new car builds subject to current year emissions or safety requirements. The title will say 1990 (or whatever year the donor is).

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Whether it is legally required seems to be a matter of some debate but my question was does it meet any of the safety and/or pollution standards that, e.g., a $50,000 Porsche must, and is there any written certification of this by a reputable independent organization,or, for $1.8 million, could it be 'unsafe at any speed'?
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Originally Posted by Robert Linton
Is there any written evidence from DOT, NHSTA, CARB, etc. that the Singer has passed any of the safety and/or pollution tests required of the lowest priced Porsche or is it "buyer beware"?
Here we go again.

I thought the US was the home of the brave and the land of the free, not the home of the coddled and the land of the <insert overzealous compliance scheme here>.

Anyways, emotive arguments aside, the logical argument is that the car is at least as safe as the base car that the owner started with (slightly more so with the Williams car as it adds ESC) - or are you suggesting all old cars need to be taken off the road as they don’t meet current safety regs?

I think caveat emptor applies here - it’s an old car that has been modded, and you should expect the safety that comes with an old car. If you want a car that meets current safety standards then buy a new car...

I recall you got a bit shirty that everyone was dumping on the R in your build thread, perhaps you could reflect a little on your sniping of Singers in these threads?


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