Rolex vs Porsche
08-23-2018, 02:16 PM
#16
I don’t understand the concern.
you have GT3s reality available at or close to msrp on the second hand market.
all this yammering and yapping about prices when there are close to 100 cars for sale.
make an offer- I’m pretty sure you will be able to buy one if you really want one. So what you couldn’t buy it new. If you truly want to drive the car and own one- buy it. There is no shortage other than the artificial one created by perception.
if 5-10k over msrp is going to make or break the sale, probably you should be looking at older used models.
you have GT3s reality available at or close to msrp on the second hand market.
all this yammering and yapping about prices when there are close to 100 cars for sale.
make an offer- I’m pretty sure you will be able to buy one if you really want one. So what you couldn’t buy it new. If you truly want to drive the car and own one- buy it. There is no shortage other than the artificial one created by perception.
if 5-10k over msrp is going to make or break the sale, probably you should be looking at older used models.
08-23-2018, 02:24 PM
#17
Banned
The difference is that in consumer goods you can have (1) manufacturer owned dealers and (2) legally enforce MSRP sales and terminate franchisee stores somewhat easily. Due to state laws, neither are true for cars in the US.
Note GT cars in UK/Europe/Canada/Asia are sold at MSRP to the initial buyer. That is, in my view, almost entirely related to the laws and distribution channels.
Note GT cars in UK/Europe/Canada/Asia are sold at MSRP to the initial buyer. That is, in my view, almost entirely related to the laws and distribution channels.
Rolex is very secretive but assume they control volume just to create this huge marketing animal it is. Stainless steel Rolex's are what is driving the hype. People want what they cannot get. Rolex is just as bad as Porsche. They have all these secret deals where a gray dealer gets all the hot models while buying up a few slow movers the dealers can't move. Grey's get to mark up the **** out of the SS models and let the slow movers go cheap. All a mess. All the Porsche and Rolex BS would stop if people didn't pay. That will never happen, some people have more money than sense and want what they want.
08-23-2018, 02:44 PM
#19
Their strategy is to limit supply of the highly desirable to maximize sales of the less desirable. Aka buy more Boxsters for the ability to buy a GT3 at MSRP.
08-23-2018, 02:55 PM
#20
Rennlist Member
Porsche is slowly going through what Rolex went through: transforming from a company that produces relatively affordable, high quality tools to one that makes luxury lifestyle items. The quality is still high, but consider the price of a Submariner in the 60s versus now. Contrast the options list of a 70s 911 to the focus on PTS/CXX today. Different sides of the same coin.
08-23-2018, 03:10 PM
#21
Three Wheelin'
Options on '70s 911 were extensive but you needed to know someone close to the factory to have access. Better still, know someone at the factory for custom work.
08-24-2018, 11:45 AM
#23
Burning Brakes
All Car prices charged by dealers have been litigated Ad Nauseam by dealers, manufacturers and customers for many. decades.
The fact remains that only the owner of the property can decide at what prices HE can sell HIS (or her) property at.
That is why MSRP (Manufacturers SUGGESTED Retail Price) is SUGGESTED to the Dealer by the Manufacturer.
The manufacturer cannot dictate to their customer (the dealer) the price HE can charge for HIS property.
Only the market can decide the appropriate price - It's called CAPITALISM!
Don't expect any changes to that. It is also up to us as customers to decide which
dealers treat us fairly and which dealers do not.- and make our purchases accordingly.
The fact remains that only the owner of the property can decide at what prices HE can sell HIS (or her) property at.
That is why MSRP (Manufacturers SUGGESTED Retail Price) is SUGGESTED to the Dealer by the Manufacturer.
The manufacturer cannot dictate to their customer (the dealer) the price HE can charge for HIS property.
Only the market can decide the appropriate price - It's called CAPITALISM!
Don't expect any changes to that. It is also up to us as customers to decide which
dealers treat us fairly and which dealers do not.- and make our purchases accordingly.
08-24-2018, 11:54 AM
#24
Racer
08-24-2018, 01:10 PM
#25
Instructor
The problem here isn't CAPITALISM - it's REGULATION that means dealers have an ARTIFICIAL MONOPOLY on the sale of all cars to consumers. If it was really capitalism, the manufacturers would be able to adopt whatever model they choose, like Tesla trying and failing to sell directly to the customer.
08-24-2018, 10:19 PM
#26
Wtf is this!?! Apples vs oranges, let’s just talk about John Deere vs cub cadet
08-24-2018, 10:29 PM
#28
Racer
Rolex recently took the additional step of requiring ADs to remove the plastic film on the watches to dampen the interest on flipper resale. ADs also seem to keep a closer eye on its customers as to whether they will fulfill future purchases of its high demand pieces. Rolex frowns on flippers and its ADs generally adhere to what Rolex wants.
Has Porsche ever publicly told its dealers to steer cars toward (or away) from particular customers?
Has Porsche ever publicly told its dealers to steer cars toward (or away) from particular customers?
08-24-2018, 10:32 PM
#29
Banned
All Car prices charged by dealers have been litigated Ad Nauseam by dealers, manufacturers and customers for many. decades.
The fact remains that only the owner of the property can decide at what prices HE can sell HIS (or her) property at.
That is why MSRP (Manufacturers SUGGESTED Retail Price) is SUGGESTED to the Dealer by the Manufacturer.
The manufacturer cannot dictate to their customer (the dealer) the price HE can charge for HIS property.
Only the market can decide the appropriate price - It's called CAPITALISM!
Don't expect any changes to that. It is also up to us as customers to decide which
dealers treat us fairly and which dealers do not.- and make our purchases accordingly.
The fact remains that only the owner of the property can decide at what prices HE can sell HIS (or her) property at.
That is why MSRP (Manufacturers SUGGESTED Retail Price) is SUGGESTED to the Dealer by the Manufacturer.
The manufacturer cannot dictate to their customer (the dealer) the price HE can charge for HIS property.
Only the market can decide the appropriate price - It's called CAPITALISM!
Don't expect any changes to that. It is also up to us as customers to decide which
dealers treat us fairly and which dealers do not.- and make our purchases accordingly.
08-24-2018, 10:48 PM
#30