Porsche Ceramic vs Ferrari Ceramic
04-21-2018, 01:53 PM
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Porsche Ceramic vs Ferrari Ceramic
I tried searching but couldn’t find anything new on this, so might as well apologize up front if that’s not the case. This is a bit long, but stay with me :-)
I was at one of those dinners last night, where I was seated next to another guy who - lucky for me - was also very much in to cars.... he used to be a Porsche customer, but now joined the dark side and rides Ferrari.... the more we had to drink (not water), the more he talked. Mostly about how great Ferrari is and how s@itty he thinks Porsche is... (at this point he still didn’t know I was a very happy 991.1 GT3 driver). He just kept on throwing bad stuff out about Porsche - everything from the “Toyota 996” to “991 GT on fire 3”... he kept on and on, with his punchlines.
He was the kind of guy who knows everything there is to know about everything.... (sarcasm might occur)... At some point my knuckles was as white as they can get, and after a another zip of my wine, I took a deep breath and decided to pick up on his misfire and make this a two way thing....
I told him that I wasn’t completely without knowledge of cars, and that I actually drove a Porsche. He went quiet for a some seconds (first time that evening)... his brain was now working overtime, trying to figure out his next punch... then he started shoting bullets at the 991 generations ceramic brakes in comparison with his Ferrari... he claimed that Ferrari produces ceramic brakes without a friction layer on the discs - making it possible to repair if nessecary - which he had done a lot... so he said. Where as the PCCB are not possible to repair, if they are scratched or get dents when fx changing a wheel....
I soooo much wanted to punch his Ferrari-red nose, but tried to calm myself, while he was punishing my favorite brand... I took a deep breath and replied “I drive Porsche because it’s been my dream car ever since I was 6 years old, and played with a metallic green 964 in my room. Ferrari is a great car, but mostly for guys like you, who apparently do not recognize anything else but Ferrari. If my PCCBs need replacement and yours doesn’t - well, that’s a challenge I’m willing to take - if we can compare the amount of track miles as well.
The whole table laughed and he was (a bit) more quiet for the rest of the evening..... :-)
But is that freak right or ?? Are the Ferrari ceramics a better engineer work than Porsche’s...... ??
if you say no, I won’t hit him as hard, next time I see him :-)
I was at one of those dinners last night, where I was seated next to another guy who - lucky for me - was also very much in to cars.... he used to be a Porsche customer, but now joined the dark side and rides Ferrari.... the more we had to drink (not water), the more he talked. Mostly about how great Ferrari is and how s@itty he thinks Porsche is... (at this point he still didn’t know I was a very happy 991.1 GT3 driver). He just kept on throwing bad stuff out about Porsche - everything from the “Toyota 996” to “991 GT on fire 3”... he kept on and on, with his punchlines.
He was the kind of guy who knows everything there is to know about everything.... (sarcasm might occur)... At some point my knuckles was as white as they can get, and after a another zip of my wine, I took a deep breath and decided to pick up on his misfire and make this a two way thing....
I told him that I wasn’t completely without knowledge of cars, and that I actually drove a Porsche. He went quiet for a some seconds (first time that evening)... his brain was now working overtime, trying to figure out his next punch... then he started shoting bullets at the 991 generations ceramic brakes in comparison with his Ferrari... he claimed that Ferrari produces ceramic brakes without a friction layer on the discs - making it possible to repair if nessecary - which he had done a lot... so he said. Where as the PCCB are not possible to repair, if they are scratched or get dents when fx changing a wheel....
I soooo much wanted to punch his Ferrari-red nose, but tried to calm myself, while he was punishing my favorite brand... I took a deep breath and replied “I drive Porsche because it’s been my dream car ever since I was 6 years old, and played with a metallic green 964 in my room. Ferrari is a great car, but mostly for guys like you, who apparently do not recognize anything else but Ferrari. If my PCCBs need replacement and yours doesn’t - well, that’s a challenge I’m willing to take - if we can compare the amount of track miles as well.
The whole table laughed and he was (a bit) more quiet for the rest of the evening..... :-)
But is that freak right or ?? Are the Ferrari ceramics a better engineer work than Porsche’s...... ??
if you say no, I won’t hit him as hard, next time I see him :-)
04-21-2018, 02:17 PM
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I have a 458 (ceramics standard) and I prefer my gt3 pccbs as they are more confidence inspiring
04-21-2018, 02:57 PM
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Better for what? They can be compared based on stopping distance, fade, replacement cost, beauty, ability to resurface, or other things. What's funny is the way the Ferrari owner compares is based on ability to resurface/replacement cost and not necessarily performance.
04-21-2018, 03:06 PM
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I wonder how much its costs to do this ... I would wager (it being F....) that its more than a new set of PCCBs!
04-21-2018, 03:13 PM
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04-21-2018, 03:15 PM
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I will chime in for what it's worth....the PPCB's on my RS are better IMO than what was on my 458.....but overall the confidence factor in the RS is much better than the 458 was....by a longshot......
While only only having about 300 miles on my Lusso, and one very spirted drive this morning, IMO, the ceramics are better than the 458's, but I'll also add already I have a lot more condfidence in the car.....
Honestly I don't know how someone can argue one way or another Porsche vs Ferrari....obviously just because something costs a lot more does not necessarily mean it's better
While only only having about 300 miles on my Lusso, and one very spirted drive this morning, IMO, the ceramics are better than the 458's, but I'll also add already I have a lot more condfidence in the car.....
Honestly I don't know how someone can argue one way or another Porsche vs Ferrari....obviously just because something costs a lot more does not necessarily mean it's better
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04-21-2018, 03:16 PM
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Who cares? Everything Ferrari is 2-3 times something Porsche and not nearly that much better. I had F-cars and the ceramic brakes on my 2004 Challenge Stradale were exceptionally good. To the point where every time I braked I thought "these are the absolute best brakes I've ever had and the best part of this car". That said, I have not owned any P-car with PCCB's but I have driven several during the 2000's and cannot say that they were as good or superior to the Ferrari's. Most likely they have improved since then.
04-21-2018, 03:27 PM
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04-21-2018, 03:27 PM
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I have much more experience on the Porsche PCCBs and of course love them. However I do think people in the past have had some problems damaging the discs when switching out wheels hence the need for the center lock alignment tool. I think that was simply a learning curve issue and probably overblown. I have friends that have 458s and tracked them well with very expensive replacement costs, more than Porsche, and what seems like less track time than the Porsche. Seems like the 458 ceramics cost as much for the fronts as the Porsche PCCBs for all four. I have no idea if the 488 has improved upon this. I almost made the switch to Ferrari a while back, I found that there is def a different attitude. It's almost like they feel Porsche was a stepping stone until they could afford the Italian Marque and thus they look down on it. Not all guys but many. For me it's always been about performance, reliability and durability. The Ferrari's have always and will always be beautiful cars, just gorgeous and amazing technology to achieve downforce while maintaining looks. Their reliability has also really improved over the years with pretty stupendous results (not just with brakes but all components), yet Porsche just continues to be unbelievable with how bulletproof they build cars for the track. Still I'd love to have a new Pista!
04-21-2018, 03:29 PM
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OP, you are a lucky man. In LA, where I am, 99% of those dinners for me = sitting next to a Tesla guy. I have to hear stuff like, my Tesla is the fastest car in the world. Last time I had to hear a guy talking about the vacuum cleaner that comes in his new Chrysler minivan. I would gladly take a CCB discussion instead...
04-21-2018, 03:31 PM
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OP, you are a lucky man. In LA, where I am, 99% of those dinners for me = sitting next to a Tesla guy. I have to hear stuff like, my Tesla is the fastest car in the world. Last time I had to hear a guy talking about the vacuum cleaner that comes in his new Chrysler minivan. I would gladly take a CCB discussion instead...
04-21-2018, 04:48 PM
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technically SGL make the Porsche disc vs Brembo for Ferrari/Mclaren/GM. It's hard to judge longevity of rotors as the gt3/rs are much less high powered cars than the Ferraris so are less demanding on brakes on track but fwiw, the brembo ccb absolutely does not last on track with the Mclaren. Will be interesting to see how long the gt2rs ceramics hold up under track use as that's a much more comparable car to the Ferraris.
"In June 2009, Brembo forged the equal share joint venture Brembo SGL Carbon Ceramic Brakes together with SGL Carbon, with the objective of developing carbon ceramic braking systems, and manufacturing and commercialising carbon ceramic discs exclusively for the passenger car and commercial vehicle original equipment markets."
04-21-2018, 05:14 PM
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Ceramic brakes in the following cars are all the same construction:
Ferrari-Lambo-Mercedes-Audi-Aston-Bentley-McLaren-Viper-C6/C7 Vettes
Porsche ceramic brakes (PCCB), much vastly better, and the calibration of the ABS in the 991 is better than ever, no mode ice mode, and I have 2 991s and had another before one of these two.
The only brake systems better than the Porsche PCCB are the modified Porsche PCCB (the stuff from Autoquest), or the mega expensive systems used in the 1:One, Huayra, and mostly everything from a factory race car (except that race brakes are horrid on street use).
BMW is using something similar to Porsche, but they only do front axles, their cars are barges going limp, and quality is not in their dictionary.
Ferrari-Lambo-Mercedes-Audi-Aston-Bentley-McLaren-Viper-C6/C7 Vettes
Porsche ceramic brakes (PCCB), much vastly better, and the calibration of the ABS in the 991 is better than ever, no mode ice mode, and I have 2 991s and had another before one of these two.
The only brake systems better than the Porsche PCCB are the modified Porsche PCCB (the stuff from Autoquest), or the mega expensive systems used in the 1:One, Huayra, and mostly everything from a factory race car (except that race brakes are horrid on street use).
BMW is using something similar to Porsche, but they only do front axles, their cars are barges going limp, and quality is not in their dictionary.