Porsche Ceramic vs Ferrari Ceramic
04-21-2018 | 05:51 PM
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04-21-2018 | 06:02 PM
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The 675LT rotors can be replaced with the CCB from the camaro. Which is actually awesome since they cost 1/4 or less of a PCCB replacement! So, just use them like normal brakes.
Ferrari pads are SOFT and therefore the rotor last a long time. They are not superior in feel or longevity by any means.
The SLS AMG Black Series brakes are very similar to the GT3RS rotors. Different issues at play but the Ferrari rotors especially feel at least one lap behind on the race. I would have had a hard time containing myself with that guy as a seat mate.
Ferrari pads are SOFT and therefore the rotor last a long time. They are not superior in feel or longevity by any means.
The SLS AMG Black Series brakes are very similar to the GT3RS rotors. Different issues at play but the Ferrari rotors especially feel at least one lap behind on the race. I would have had a hard time containing myself with that guy as a seat mate.
04-21-2018 | 06:18 PM
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I tried searching but couldn’t find anything new on this, so might as well apologize up front if that’s not the case. This is a bit long, but stay with me :-)
I was at one of those dinners last night, where I was seated next to another guy who - lucky for me - was also very much in to cars.... he used to be a Porsche customer, but now joined the dark side and rides Ferrari.... the more we had to drink (not water), the more he talked. Mostly about how great Ferrari is and how s@itty he thinks Porsche is... (at this point he still didn’t know I was a very happy 991.1 GT3 driver). He just kept on throwing bad stuff out about Porsche - everything from the “Toyota 996” to “991 GT on fire 3”... he kept on and on, with his punchlines.
He was the kind of guy who knows everything there is to know about everything.... (sarcasm might occur)... At some point my knuckles was as white as they can get, and after a another zip of my wine, I took a deep breath and decided to pick up on his misfire and make this a two way thing....
I told him that I wasn’t completely without knowledge of cars, and that I actually drove a Porsche. He went quiet for a some seconds (first time that evening)... his brain was now working overtime, trying to figure out his next punch... then he started shoting bullets at the 991 generations ceramic brakes in comparison with his Ferrari... he claimed that Ferrari produces ceramic brakes without a friction layer on the discs - making it possible to repair if nessecary - which he had done a lot... so he said. Where as the PCCB are not possible to repair, if they are scratched or get dents when fx changing a wheel....
I soooo much wanted to punch his Ferrari-red nose, but tried to calm myself, while he was punishing my favorite brand... I took a deep breath and replied “I drive Porsche because it’s been my dream car ever since I was 6 years old, and played with a metallic green 964 in my room. Ferrari is a great car, but mostly for guys like you, who apparently do not recognize anything else but Ferrari. If my PCCBs need replacement and yours doesn’t - well, that’s a challenge I’m willing to take - if we can compare the amount of track miles as well.
The whole table laughed and he was (a bit) more quiet for the rest of the evening..... :-)
But is that freak right or ?? Are the Ferrari ceramics a better engineer work than Porsche’s...... ??
if you say no, I won’t hit him as hard, next time I see him :-)
I was at one of those dinners last night, where I was seated next to another guy who - lucky for me - was also very much in to cars.... he used to be a Porsche customer, but now joined the dark side and rides Ferrari.... the more we had to drink (not water), the more he talked. Mostly about how great Ferrari is and how s@itty he thinks Porsche is... (at this point he still didn’t know I was a very happy 991.1 GT3 driver). He just kept on throwing bad stuff out about Porsche - everything from the “Toyota 996” to “991 GT on fire 3”... he kept on and on, with his punchlines.
He was the kind of guy who knows everything there is to know about everything.... (sarcasm might occur)... At some point my knuckles was as white as they can get, and after a another zip of my wine, I took a deep breath and decided to pick up on his misfire and make this a two way thing....
I told him that I wasn’t completely without knowledge of cars, and that I actually drove a Porsche. He went quiet for a some seconds (first time that evening)... his brain was now working overtime, trying to figure out his next punch... then he started shoting bullets at the 991 generations ceramic brakes in comparison with his Ferrari... he claimed that Ferrari produces ceramic brakes without a friction layer on the discs - making it possible to repair if nessecary - which he had done a lot... so he said. Where as the PCCB are not possible to repair, if they are scratched or get dents when fx changing a wheel....
I soooo much wanted to punch his Ferrari-red nose, but tried to calm myself, while he was punishing my favorite brand... I took a deep breath and replied “I drive Porsche because it’s been my dream car ever since I was 6 years old, and played with a metallic green 964 in my room. Ferrari is a great car, but mostly for guys like you, who apparently do not recognize anything else but Ferrari. If my PCCBs need replacement and yours doesn’t - well, that’s a challenge I’m willing to take - if we can compare the amount of track miles as well.
The whole table laughed and he was (a bit) more quiet for the rest of the evening..... :-)
But is that freak right or ?? Are the Ferrari ceramics a better engineer work than Porsche’s...... ??
if you say no, I won’t hit him as hard, next time I see him :-)
P.S. I can't wait to hear from you again when you get the same from a lamborghini guy. The worst Ferrari clients are the v8 mid engine ones good lord, I'm still not surr that the firewall doesn't leak gases to the cabin on every last mid engine v8 ferrari.
04-21-2018 | 06:21 PM
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"technically", thats not what the brembo site states...
"In June 2009, Brembo forged the equal share joint venture Brembo SGL Carbon Ceramic Brakes together with SGL Carbon, with the objective of developing carbon ceramic braking systems, and manufacturing and commercialising carbon ceramic discs exclusively for the passenger car and commercial vehicle original equipment markets."
"In June 2009, Brembo forged the equal share joint venture Brembo SGL Carbon Ceramic Brakes together with SGL Carbon, with the objective of developing carbon ceramic braking systems, and manufacturing and commercialising carbon ceramic discs exclusively for the passenger car and commercial vehicle original equipment markets."
04-21-2018 | 07:11 PM
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Ceramic brakes in the following cars are all the same construction:
Ferrari-Lambo-Mercedes-Audi-Aston-Bentley-McLaren-Viper-C6/C7 Vettes
Porsche ceramic brakes (PCCB), much vastly better, and the calibration of the ABS in the 991 is better than ever, no mode ice mode, and I have 2 991s and had another before one of these two.
The only brake systems better than the Porsche PCCB are the modified Porsche PCCB (the stuff from Autoquest), or the mega expensive systems used in the 1:One, Huayra, and mostly everything from a factory race car (except that race brakes are horrid on street use).
BMW is using something similar to Porsche, but they only do front axles, their cars are barges going limp, and quality is not in their dictionary.
Ferrari-Lambo-Mercedes-Audi-Aston-Bentley-McLaren-Viper-C6/C7 Vettes
Porsche ceramic brakes (PCCB), much vastly better, and the calibration of the ABS in the 991 is better than ever, no mode ice mode, and I have 2 991s and had another before one of these two.
The only brake systems better than the Porsche PCCB are the modified Porsche PCCB (the stuff from Autoquest), or the mega expensive systems used in the 1:One, Huayra, and mostly everything from a factory race car (except that race brakes are horrid on street use).
BMW is using something similar to Porsche, but they only do front axles, their cars are barges going limp, and quality is not in their dictionary.
Thanks for that update because they did not feel that way on the track.
04-21-2018 | 07:12 PM
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I tried searching but couldn’t find anything new on this, so might as well apologize up front if that’s not the case. This is a bit long, but stay with me :-)
I was at one of those dinners last night, where I was seated next to another guy who - lucky for me - was also very much in to cars....
He was the kind of guy who knows everything there is to know about everything.... (sarcasm might occur)...
I was at one of those dinners last night, where I was seated next to another guy who - lucky for me - was also very much in to cars....
He was the kind of guy who knows everything there is to know about everything.... (sarcasm might occur)...
Lol.... my ex-girlfriends cousin is like that. He kept telling me that when he modifies his Ford Taurus SHO it will be faster on any track and will embarrass every Porsche, Ferrari or Mclaren. He has never done a lap on a race track but he did watch all of the Fast & Furious movies so he is a expert....
04-21-2018 | 07:47 PM
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I will chime in for what it's worth....the PPCB's on my RS are better IMO than what was on my 458.....but overall the confidence factor in the RS is much better than the 458 was....by a longshot......
While only only having about 300 miles on my Lusso, and one very spirted drive this morning, IMO, the ceramics are better than the 458's, but I'll also add already I have a lot more condfidence in the car.....
Honestly I don't know how someone can argue one way or another Porsche vs Ferrari....obviously just because something costs a lot more does not necessarily mean it's better
While only only having about 300 miles on my Lusso, and one very spirted drive this morning, IMO, the ceramics are better than the 458's, but I'll also add already I have a lot more condfidence in the car.....
Honestly I don't know how someone can argue one way or another Porsche vs Ferrari....obviously just because something costs a lot more does not necessarily mean it's better
04-21-2018 | 09:18 PM
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I have both Porsche CCBs and AMG CCBs both are extremely good, the AMG bites a little better in the cold and when cold but then this is only my take. I have 2 identical E63 wagons, one with steel and one with CCBs; IMHO the CCBs transforms the car. Would I buy an E63 Wagon or GT-r with steel? Hell no.
BTW I bought the first wagon with Steel because I did not know how good the AMG CCBs were until I tried them in the AMG PRO+ course. After 9 track days in the wagon the breaks are still at 90-93%. but them maybe my Laguna Secas1:43-44s are slow...
I have never concurrently owned identical Porsche with steel and CCBs but I do buy my Porsche with steel.
04-21-2018 | 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by astolfor
What Mercedes CCBs are you speaking off? AMG CCBs are unique to AMG,I know this for a fact, as I do know that not all AMG CCBS are the same.
I have both Porsche CCBs and AMG CCBs both are extremely good, the AMG bites a little better in the cold and when cold but then this is only my take. I have 2 identical E63 wagons, one with steel and one with CCBs; IMHO the CCBs transforms the car. Would I buy an E63 Wagon or GT-r with steel? Hell no.
BTW I bought the first wagon with Steel because I did not know how good the AMG CCBs were until I tried them in the AMG PRO+ course. After 9 track days in the wagon the breaks are still at 90-93%. but them maybe my Laguna Secas1:43-44s are slow...
I have never concurrently owned identical Porsche with steel and CCBs but I do buy my Porsche with steel.
I have both Porsche CCBs and AMG CCBs both are extremely good, the AMG bites a little better in the cold and when cold but then this is only my take. I have 2 identical E63 wagons, one with steel and one with CCBs; IMHO the CCBs transforms the car. Would I buy an E63 Wagon or GT-r with steel? Hell no.
BTW I bought the first wagon with Steel because I did not know how good the AMG CCBs were until I tried them in the AMG PRO+ course. After 9 track days in the wagon the breaks are still at 90-93%. but them maybe my Laguna Secas1:43-44s are slow...
I have never concurrently owned identical Porsche with steel and CCBs but I do buy my Porsche with steel.
04-21-2018 | 11:36 PM
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I truly do love all cars and do not enjoy most conversations that involve why someone’s car is better than everything else. I will tell you though I do have a little of that for one car. The Corvette. I had such a bad experience with a the last generation Z06 and I have friends that had terrible experience with the current generation Z06. They are fine on the street, but fail miserably on the track.
I admire the restraint of the OP and I must admit that I’m a bit jelly of all the guys on this thread that have so much experience with all the different cars. I’d love to drive P cars, McLaren, Ferrari, Lamborghini, etc and compare them all. Cheers to all you guys for winning at life.
I admire the restraint of the OP and I must admit that I’m a bit jelly of all the guys on this thread that have so much experience with all the different cars. I’d love to drive P cars, McLaren, Ferrari, Lamborghini, etc and compare them all. Cheers to all you guys for winning at life.