991.2 3RS Ring time..............
04-18-2018, 02:11 PM
#91
Interesting video on the GT3 RS run at the Ring from Misha
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSE-MFxj1x0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSE-MFxj1x0
04-18-2018, 05:32 PM
#92
White or red one by chance? Might have seen you on the track 
and well said, thanks for sharing your input.
I agree with isv that 25 sec just seems like a quantum leap from .1 to .2 taken on its face without more. Not bashing/discrediting the .2 3RS, I have no horse in this race, but I'd like a little more substance and dissection/analysis of how/why the .2 was 25 seconds faster which is why I appreciate the discussion here. Regardless it's an impressive accomplishment and feat by the best car company in the world
and well said, thanks for sharing your input.I agree with isv that 25 sec just seems like a quantum leap from .1 to .2 taken on its face without more. Not bashing/discrediting the .2 3RS, I have no horse in this race, but I'd like a little more substance and dissection/analysis of how/why the .2 was 25 seconds faster which is why I appreciate the discussion here. Regardless it's an impressive accomplishment and feat by the best car company in the world
I drove the red one.
I wouldn't care so much about the 25 sec...if I remember correctly 991.1 was never tested properly at Ring, the long winter and the period with works and speed limits after that mortal crash during a GT race didn't leave many occasions for the right attempt, surely the performance could be better.
Let's start from the lap time of .2GT3 (which is not faster than a .1RS on track as everybody doing trackdays knows)...more hp, more aero, more rubber, less weight some other stuff...and a sub 7.00 make more sense right?
04-18-2018, 05:38 PM
#93
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Originally Posted by Chris3963
Just spoken to journalist who has just driven the .2 RS. It’s a quantum leap.
04-18-2018, 05:54 PM
#94
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04-18-2018, 05:59 PM
#96
That always gets bandied around but yet SportAuto only managed a 7:28 (7:32 but with 4s adjustment for the speed restrictions), admittedly in I believe very warm track conditions. That doesn't really seem to suggest a factory time much faster than 7:20? For a car like the RS, I can't believe Porsche would not have returned to the 'ring for another attempt if they truly thought that the time wasn't pretty close. For whatever reason (track getting quicker, tyres improving etc), the times now are definitely having a big step compared to say 2015-ish times when it used to take years for anything like the current jumps in time.
04-18-2018, 06:12 PM
#97
That always gets bandied around but yet SportAuto only managed a 7:28 (7:32 but with 4s adjustment for the speed restrictions), admittedly in I believe very warm track conditions. That doesn't really seem to suggest a factory time much faster than 7:20? For a car like the RS, I can't believe Porsche would not have returned to the 'ring for another attempt if they truly thought that the time wasn't pretty close. For whatever reason (track getting quicker, tyres improving etc), the times now are definitely having a big step compared to say 2015-ish times when it used to take years for anything like the current jumps in time.
To be sincere I don't take (anymore) too much seriously official ring lap times, a good lap became very important in driving buyers' choices and car makers began investing a lot to achieve a good result, often and often by stacking the deck.
In an ideal world, where one can try a .2GT3RS and buy if he likes...everybody would just care about his sensations behind the steering wheel and we wouldn't spend a minute in this kind of discussions
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04-18-2018, 06:17 PM
#98
Maybe.
To be sincere I don't take (anymore) too much seriously official ring lap times, a good lap became very important in driving buyers' choices and car makers began investing a lot to achieve a good result, often and often by stacking the deck.
In an ideal world, where one can try a .2GT3RS and buy if he likes...everybody would just care about his sensations behind the steering wheel and we wouldn't spend a minute in this kind of discussions
To be sincere I don't take (anymore) too much seriously official ring lap times, a good lap became very important in driving buyers' choices and car makers began investing a lot to achieve a good result, often and often by stacking the deck.
In an ideal world, where one can try a .2GT3RS and buy if he likes...everybody would just care about his sensations behind the steering wheel and we wouldn't spend a minute in this kind of discussions
04-18-2018, 06:26 PM
#99
Difference between RS.1 and .2 is not surprising to me based mainly on the difference in the engine. My experience on track (I drive a wolf single seat) is that the new GT3 motor is so much better than the GT3RS.1. In straights I can pull away from old GT3 and GT3RS.1. The new GT3 I cannot, in fact it pulls me in long straights. (In the turns a totally different issue) The torque range on new motor is amazing and I also believe the HP on both GT3 and new RS .2 is underrated. When you add this to all the other tweeks to the new RS it makes sense.
04-18-2018, 07:56 PM
#100
But you can slap together headers, tractive competition coilovers sorted with all the adjacent bits and bobs (arms, solid bushings, etc), a bit of weight shaving, fi-r or even the magnesium wheels, these michelin tires and you wouldn't be far from a .2 rs, hell, you might just be faster.
04-18-2018, 08:35 PM
#101
Got it. Again I hope this is correct. The devil is in the RS tweeks though. As compared to the .2 GT3 = +20 hp, -4mph top end, + 7 torque, -.04 sec 1/4 mile, - 2 sec 0-60, both, same weight. An amazing engineering feat regardless. The deltas between the GT3 and GT2 are much greater. Guess it might be aero..... and point of diminishing return.
04-19-2018, 07:58 AM
#103
Maybe.
To be sincere I don't take (anymore) too much seriously official ring lap times, a good lap became very important in driving buyers' choices and car makers began investing a lot to achieve a good result, often and often by stacking the deck.
In an ideal world, where one can try a .2GT3RS and buy if he likes...everybody would just care about his sensations behind the steering wheel and we wouldn't spend a minute in this kind of discussions
To be sincere I don't take (anymore) too much seriously official ring lap times, a good lap became very important in driving buyers' choices and car makers began investing a lot to achieve a good result, often and often by stacking the deck.
In an ideal world, where one can try a .2GT3RS and buy if he likes...everybody would just care about his sensations behind the steering wheel and we wouldn't spend a minute in this kind of discussions
04-19-2018, 08:49 AM
#104
Maybe.
To be sincere I don't take (anymore) too much seriously official ring lap times, a good lap became very important in driving buyers' choices and car makers began investing a lot to achieve a good result, often and often by stacking the deck.
In an ideal world, where one can try a .2GT3RS and buy if he likes...everybody would just care about his sensations behind the steering wheel and we wouldn't spend a minute in this kind of discussions
To be sincere I don't take (anymore) too much seriously official ring lap times, a good lap became very important in driving buyers' choices and car makers began investing a lot to achieve a good result, often and often by stacking the deck.
In an ideal world, where one can try a .2GT3RS and buy if he likes...everybody would just care about his sensations behind the steering wheel and we wouldn't spend a minute in this kind of discussions
04-19-2018, 09:19 AM
#105
^ Agreed
The only reason why I'm fascinated with the Ring times personally is for the reason of comparing new gen to prior gen of 911 GT to see the result of the improvements/R&D, which even then isn't apples to apples (I am still stupefied/refusing to accept the 25 sec difference 991.1 and .2 3RS difference lol, it was only 12 sec from .1 to .2 GT3 and I thought that was a bigger leap than between the RS gens)
Otherwise it's Porsche marketing at it's finest The difference could be 2.5 minutes between the cars and I am still convinced that the driver matters infinitely more than the cars...I now believe and accept this from first hand experience 
The only reason why I'm fascinated with the Ring times personally is for the reason of comparing new gen to prior gen of 911 GT to see the result of the improvements/R&D, which even then isn't apples to apples (I am still stupefied/refusing to accept the 25 sec difference 991.1 and .2 3RS difference lol, it was only 12 sec from .1 to .2 GT3 and I thought that was a bigger leap than between the RS gens)
Otherwise it's Porsche marketing at it's finest
The difference could be 2.5 minutes between the cars and I am still convinced that the driver matters infinitely more than the cars...I now believe and accept this from first hand experience