Notices
991 GT3, GT3RS, GT2RS and 911R 2012-2019
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

991.2 3RS Ring time..............

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 04-16-2018, 05:33 PM
  #46  
Jrtaylor9
Rennlist Member
 
Jrtaylor9's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: East Hampton / NYC
Posts: 3,817
Received 1,097 Likes on 544 Posts
Default

Impressive, regardless how good the tires are. NA rwd impressive.
Old 04-16-2018, 05:42 PM
  #47  
Chris3963
Rennlist Member
 
Chris3963's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Antipodes
Posts: 2,642
Received 1,089 Likes on 386 Posts
Default

I will be impressed when it is formally announced. Until then its one person's educated guess.

Last edited by Chris3963; 04-16-2018 at 06:00 PM.
Old 04-16-2018, 05:59 PM
  #48  
Seth Thomas
Rennlist Member
 
Seth Thomas's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Cumming, Ga
Posts: 2,263
Received 250 Likes on 121 Posts
Default

My guess is the real difference is the suspension on the car made a big difference over the newer Cup2 tires. The stiffer springs the new RS has will really make the car more of a track car than the .1 soft setup. If I decide to keep my car I might throw a set of MCS 3-way shocks on the car along with stiffer springs and see how it performs.
Old 04-16-2018, 06:01 PM
  #49  
disden
Drifting
 
disden's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Indiana
Posts: 2,502
Received 1,151 Likes on 466 Posts
Default

WOW, impressive stuff. Cant wait for my lizard with WP to be built and see how it compares at the track vs my current .1 RS. However since I'm not a pro, suspect wont matter much in my laps times, but no doubt I will looking really freaking cool!
Old 04-16-2018, 06:21 PM
  #50  
KBS911
Rennlist Member
 
KBS911's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 1,949
Received 134 Likes on 81 Posts
Default

Very impressive. The difference between the .1 GT3 and .1 RS was 5 seconds. If the sub 7 stands it is nothing less than amazing. Now looking at 16 seconds between the current versions. That certainly widens the gap. Curious to see what the actual Porsche "official" time will be.
Old 04-16-2018, 06:23 PM
  #51  
isv
Pro
 
isv's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 606
Likes: 0
Received 7 Likes on 7 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Nick
No doubt tires played an important role in the significant improvement in Ring times. But you could also say the Weissach package. Mag wheels, 20 more hp and suspension played a role. It's a freaken .2GT3RS! What's your point? Do you consider an improvement of 10 seconds incremental?
my point is that you're claiming it's a 24 second improvement which shows the .2 is not just an incremental improvement over the .1. No one really knows what the .1 3rs will do on today's track and with the same tyre. 10 seconds faster back to back vs the .2 with the same tyre, fair enough - it then isn't merely an incremental improvement. If it's 5-6 seconds however......

P.S Weissach pack and such in no way will make up 2 seconds on a 90 second lap as per the latest Autobild test at Sachsenring running the Cup R vs the N2 tyre. Tyres are by far the biggest factor in performance improvement of late.
Old 04-16-2018, 06:37 PM
  #52  
raclaims
Rennlist Member
 
raclaims's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 2,646
Received 313 Likes on 166 Posts
Default

I like the fire...however I find it comical. If you drive a .1 then a .2 back to back I guarantee you will feel it's incremental.

But go ahead and buy what you like. Doesn't affect me either way.
Old 04-16-2018, 06:44 PM
  #53  
Larry Cable
Rennlist Member
 
Larry Cable's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: S.F Bay Area
Posts: 25,771
Received 3,594 Likes on 2,339 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Seth Thomas
My guess is the real difference is the suspension on the car made a big difference over the newer Cup2 tires. The stiffer springs the new RS has will really make the car more of a track car than the .1 soft setup. If I decide to keep my car I might throw a set of MCS 3-way shocks on the car along with stiffer springs and see how it performs.
typically though the Ring benefits a car with a more compliant suspension ...
Old 04-16-2018, 07:10 PM
  #54  
RyanDDWPartners
Racer
 
RyanDDWPartners's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: AZ
Posts: 261
Received 26 Likes on 18 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Larry Cable
typically though the Ring benefits a car with a more compliant suspension ...
Correct and our Porsche GT cars are much more compliant and nice to drive on the street compared to the domestic variants ie. Z28, Z06, ACR, etc. I've had all of those as well and they bounce around on the street.
Old 04-16-2018, 09:10 PM
  #55  
Jimmy-D
Race Director
 
Jimmy-D's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Midwest
Posts: 11,265
Received 1,450 Likes on 754 Posts
Default

Get ready to bend over...... - there will be no lube I can promise

I can almost feel it and I have no skin in the game

IMPRESSIVE
Old 04-16-2018, 09:44 PM
  #56  
A/S
Burning Brakes
 
A/S's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: U.S.
Posts: 846
Likes: 0
Received 286 Likes on 131 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by rosenbergendo
I'm still waiting for INDEPENDENT testing on the same dyno on this. 45hp on a NA engine for the .1........come on. Does anyone actually believe that???
I did a series of test runs from 0-120+ mph, by 120mph (VBox Sport, same temperatures, same test road) my 991.1 GT3 RS on FabSpeed Long Tube headers (no cats) and stock center Ti muffler was exactly 0.3 secs quicker. The difference to 60mph is negligible, but from 80mph and up it builds quite a gap.

The 991.1 RS runs 11.1-11.2 1/4 mile times bone stock and traps mid to highs 125mph, 3 tenths quicker to 120mph would place my car on the 10.8-10.9secs 1/4 mile, which is impressive for a 2WD normally aspirated car.

The FabSpeed long tube and the Dundon race headers are pretty similar on design, the power gains are noticeable and the timing equipment shows it. My car is not tuned, stock ECU. There are tests showing better gains in the regular 991.1 GT3 than the gains in the 991.1 GT3 RS with the same long tube headers.

No idea how much will be gained in the 991.2 GT3/GT3 RS engine with these headers, but Porsche makes very restrictive cats and the short stock headers are the result of space limitations, there is no room for long tube headers and cats, and all the needed mufflers to quite down these cars.

The sound it makes is one of the best sounds I have heard on a street car. I don't trust dynos that much, too many variables, I prefer the 60-90, 60-100, 60-110, 60-120,60-130mph tests, these ones show the true performance gains.
Old 04-16-2018, 09:48 PM
  #57  
robmypro
Race Director
 
robmypro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Colorado
Posts: 10,235
Received 1,784 Likes on 1,027 Posts
Default

No biggie. My GT3 can beat that time. I just need a set of headers.
Old 04-16-2018, 10:21 PM
  #58  
RobbieRob
Pro
 
RobbieRob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: PA Suburbs
Posts: 572
Received 105 Likes on 51 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by A/S
I did a series of test runs from 0-120+ mph, by 120mph (VBox Sport, same temperatures, same test road) my 991.1 GT3 RS on FabSpeed Long Tube headers (no cats) and stock center Ti muffler was exactly 0.3 secs quicker. The difference to 60mph is negligible, but from 80mph and up it builds quite a gap.

The 991.1 RS runs 11.1-11.2 1/4 mile times bone stock and traps mid to highs 125mph, 3 tenths quicker to 120mph would place my car on the 10.8-10.9secs 1/4 mile, which is impressive for a 2WD normally aspirated car.

The FabSpeed long tube and the Dundon race headers are pretty similar on design, the power gains are noticeable and the timing equipment shows it. My car is not tuned, stock ECU. There are tests showing better gains in the regular 991.1 GT3 than the gains in the 991.1 GT3 RS with the same long tube headers.

No idea how much will be gained in the 991.2 GT3/GT3 RS engine with these headers, but Porsche makes very restrictive cats and the short stock headers are the result of space limitations, there is no room for long tube headers and cats, and all the needed mufflers to quite down these cars.

The sound it makes is one of the best sounds I have heard on a street car. I don't trust dynos that much, too many variables, I prefer the 60-90, 60-100, 60-110, 60-120,60-130mph tests, these ones show the true performance gains.
My buddy with his .1 RS with the same Fabspeed headers as you have ran a 10.62 @132mph at Atco Raceway in NJ. Those long tube headers(Fabspeed and Dundon) definitely make power.
Old 04-16-2018, 11:01 PM
  #59  
RyanDDWPartners
Racer
 
RyanDDWPartners's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: AZ
Posts: 261
Received 26 Likes on 18 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by RobbieRob
My buddy with his .1 RS with the same Fabspeed headers as you have ran a 10.62 @132mph at Atco Raceway in NJ. Those long tube headers(Fabspeed and Dundon) definitely make power.
Did he ever run it bone stock in similar conditions to compare? Atco is one of the quickest and fastest tracks in the country
Old 04-16-2018, 11:09 PM
  #60  
RobbieRob
Pro
 
RobbieRob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: PA Suburbs
Posts: 572
Received 105 Likes on 51 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by RyanDDWPartners


Did he ever run it bone stock in similar conditions to compare? Atco is one of the quickest and fastest tracks in the country
He didn't but I did in my .1 GT3. Stock 11.27@125mph, long tube headers 10.92@128mph.


Quick Reply: 991.2 3RS Ring time..............



All times are GMT -3. The time now is 11:41 PM.